United Macedonia Diaspora

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by aleksandrov

If you are going to judge others, first judge yourself.

What have YOU done to resist and oppose the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement?

What have YOU done to encourage the UMD to resist and oppose the Interim Accord and the Framework Agreement?

If 90% of the citizens of Macedonia decide to sell their dignity and their identity for promises of material benefit or to be led by fear, does that justify you or anyone else jumping on the bandwagon?

It is not about judging Aleksandrov, it is about the rights of the citizens to question the constitutionality of their adherence to the Interim and Framework agreements.

Have you volunteered your time to construct a case for the constitutional court in Macedonia? Have you, being such an important activist, offered to help support a case reaching the constitutional courts?

I do what I can, when I can, I am not the activist that you are, but yet I don't see you pushing for exploring the proper avenue's of questioning or overthrowing the Interim and Framework Agreements at the constitutional courts, (where this whole matter should have been decided 20 years ago) It is not difficult to discern that the government of Macedonia follows these two agreements and considers them valid and binding and within their constitutional authority, so wouldn't the obvious course of action be to question it through the high courts?

This is not a question of what have I done, what have you done, it is a question of why hasn't this been done?

[Prolet]

A.Mitreski, You need to communicate with the people alot more rather then popping up once in a blue moon, stating something and then heading off. Sure your post does make sense and i've been saying it all along Koj Raboti Toj i Greshi, i can say the same thing for myself and we all make mistakes thats fair enough however you really need to work with the people who got us to where we are today. We have alot of smart individuals and people from the older generations who've given their lives to get to where we are today, we cannot forget our past and those who worked so hard with very little resources.

I wont criticize you however i will say this, we easily give our trust to anybody who is prepared to work for our fatherland that is always welcomed however that trust is lost even easier when things dont get cleared up and are let to drag on and on. Problems need to be solved, issues need to be resolved its how it works. We've been burned so many times we dont know who to trust anymore so you can see why some people are a bit tough on the UMD.

Just remember one thing, we all respect the fact that you are giving alot of your time and putting in the effort for our Diaspora. I dont think you will find one person who will dispute that, however you cant use that as an excuse for any failures. Just because you spend alot of time and effort does not mean that you have the right to use it against the people who question your work and even criticize yourself and the UMD. The Pressure is there in anything you do, its being able to cope with it and get results that counts and believe me once you have success you will win everyone's support. We can understand that its not easy for you guys, but remember that you need to work with everybody if you want a stronger and tougher organization because trust is something very hard to keep these days in our Diaspora and if you dont understand that you will in the near future.

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Amitreski, are you contesting the validity of Pelister's email that you had sent to him, as presented by Pelister? I would like his opinion on this matter.

It is pretty obvious, this isn't the first time Pelister has been caught red handed.

[Prolet]

A.Mitreski, Im glad we understand eachother but believe me "Sto Narodot Misli" is not as important as "Na Kogo Narodot Mu Veruva" You cant move an inch if you dont have your back yard cleared up and you cant get very far if you dont have the support of the people. I suggest you organize yourselves wisely and gain the trust of the people because once you do that you will be much stronger and you will have everybodies support.

A word of Advise, think like a Macedonian be a man for the people dont take the Americanized way and just looking at the hours you spend. Sometimes you can achieve more in 20 minutes then you can in 80 hours. We are a small community and we all know eachother somehow or another, unity is the only way to succeed and without trust there is no unity thats for sure. I got no doubt that we can do this however not with the way things are organized right now, there is always room for improvement thats for sure.

[UMDiaspora.org]

Thanks Aleks for posting the video! Here are the pictures: http://galleries.darkofoto.com/UmdFilmEventSMALL/

[makedonin]

У видеото, на Грко му било мачно да го гледа филмот. Маму им јаречка!

[Risto the Great]

Prolet, some very wise advice. Well done.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Prolet

There was a Greek Guy who watched it that was not very impressed because in the film it said that Aleksandar the Great was Macedonian.

Anything to add UMD?

No they won't. We already have confirmation the UMD chooses to ignore historical arguments. It is policy for them apparently.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by amitreski

If the government of the Republic of Macedonia stopped the negotiations, UMD would be the first to applaud this decision.

Hello amitreski, welcome to this forum.
I feel a little frustrated with the UMD and wonder out loud whether there has ever been situations where the UMD has done quite the opposite in relation to decisions of the Macedonian Government. Has the UMD ever castigated (any of) the Government's decisions or actions at any point? Some people may in fact view the UMD as a voice or tool of the Macedonian Government. Does the Macedonian Diaspora need to blindly support the Government in power?

I have touched upon this in the past and have wondered what the UMD will do when it comes to a crossroad in ideology. Will it be prepared to lose relationships with the Government in power to assert itself? It has never done this in the past as far as I am aware.

Thank you for admitting the error in Meto's youthful statements. We still really do not have closure on this matter until he personally deals with it. The protracted nature of this line of query has ensured the UMD is not seen to be transparent and merely raises more questions about the true intent of this organisation.

How do you feel about the MPO alliance with UMD? What are your thoughts in relation to this organisation?

[Vangelovski]

Mitreski,

If in fact UMD does not support the negotiations, why hasn't it publically called for an immediate end? Why hasn't it publically called for the Macedonian Government to declare the Interim Accord 'null and void'. Why has it consistently reprimanded Greece as the 'intransigent party' to the negotiations? Why did it reprimand Greece for not accepting “Republic of Macedonia (Skopje)” at the NATO summit?