United Macedonia Diaspora

[Pelister]

The facts are that UMD are pushing for Macedonia's INTEGRATION into Western institutions - institutions that negate us.

The fact is that UMD has backed since day one Western structures, such as the Interim Accord, such and The Framework that completely negate us.

UMD is about to launch a world tour to convince us Macedonians that we need to Integrate.

Recently the Vice-President of UMD (who by now probably hates me), said that He personally agreed with Nimetz, that TO INTEGRATE, WE MUST NEGOTIATE.

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

That is a strong point, and cannot be argued against. For how much longer are we going to serve the interests of others? For almost 2 decades of talks and negotiations, practically nothing has changed in this field.

Serving the interests of others is exactly what we have been doing for 2 decades.

What bothers me is that UMD will be pushing for our Integration into these Western institutions and continue to support these Western structures - even though these Western institutions and structures are putting terms to us that are irrational.

[UMDiaspora.org]

Rogi, UMD will not be screening it in Australia.

We heard it will be screened; and we suggest you contact the producers...

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[Soldier of Macedon]

doesnt seem to me like umd is trying to change macedonia's name.

This is something positive and doesn't need your negative complexities or misinterpretations. Keep that discussion where it belongs (on the other threads).

[osiris]

i dont know wether to laugh or cry, this idea that the west is macedonias saviour is so naive in fact its ridiculous. the west have at every turn supported greece against us since 1903 to 2010. but unfortunatly some of our nth american macedonins are too blinded by the coca cola culture they live in to see what the good ole us of a has been doing these past 50 plu years.

[Dzog]

I don't care anymore. I'm not about to get into arguments about what some insignificant person said in a 2 minute interview with someone I don't know who has analysed it to shreds and who thinks I have personal issues with someone I have never even talked to other than a few internet forum discussions. Call it back-peddling, call it bitching out, call it whatever but I couldn't be fucked because it is not what this thread was about and not something that will affect me deeply.

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Dzog

I don't care anymore. I'm not about to get into arguments about what some insignificant person said in a 2 minute interview with someone I don't know who has analysed it to shreds and who thinks I have personal issues with someone I have never even talked to other than a few internet forum discussions. Call it back-peddling, call it bitching out, call it whatever but I couldn't be fucked because it is not what this thread was about and not something that will affect me deeply.

You say ou don't care, but your not a Macedonian.

They have been calling for name changes since day one and it matters to some of us.

SoM and others here don't necessarily agree with me, and I respect that immensely but the evidence of UMD calling for a MODIFIED NAME is incontrovertible. I am glad others see it, even though UMD deny anything of the kind was ever said.

What should be more concerning is UMD's support for Western institutions and structures (including the Interim Accord, the current Framework, the terms that the Greeks, the E.U and NATO put to us) - it is UMD's backing of these institutions and structures that needs to come out.

I'll tell you what is "stupid". The President of UMD doing a world tour to convince us of our need to Integrate into institutions that fully back the terms put to us by Greece !

Why not send a message to the Macedonian government that they are the idiots for negotiating our historical identity, to get into the fking E.U and NATO, which these lackeys worship.

[Dzog]

I am Macedonian. I'm just not an uneducated Bitolcanec like yourself.

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Dzog

I am Macedonian. I'm just not an uneducated Bitolcanec like yourself.

Didn't you say you were a Greek of Vlach descent on Maknews ? Or were you just pretending to be.

So the Dzog on Maknews was full of shite after all.

You saying your a Macedonian doesn't explain much, and I'm not a 'Bitolchanec' imbecile.

[osiris]

dzog you have made many great contributions on maknews and i think your call for unity is admirable but unity must be based on mutual respect and a sharing of some values and goals. by the way i am not sure pelister is a bitolchanec. i think you and he may be closer in that respect than you think.
umd have come on board and blown their own horn ad nauseum, their contribution to the macedonian cause is insignificant and possibly divisive and destructive. do you expect us to listen to their hype and continuous flip flopping from one position to another and not hold themm to account. the bishop is another bull in china shop and his power lust has cost the australian macedonian communities close to 8 million dollars in legal costs. many of these communities were active and committed patriots before that crazy cleric even realsied what it was to be a macedonian. imagine what our community could have done with 8 million dollars.