United Macedonia Diaspora

[Vangelovski]

One more time for Volk:

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Meto Koloski on Macedonian Media Monitor
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macedo.../message/10565
13 March 2008

Who are you calling naive activists? Who is trying to change our name?

We have to be realistic, Macedonia if it wants to join NATO and EU it
has to join under a modified name for those organizations ONLY.

How happy are you that we are called "The former Yugoslav Republic of
Macedonia" in NATO, UN, and EU? I'm not....wouldn't you prefer us to
be called something like Democratic Republic of Macedonia instead, IF ALL ELSE FAILS, of course? I sure would. However, until all else
fails, our position is double formula.

Meto


TWO
On Meto Koloski on ZMR
(at 1:38 minutes -

YouTube - ZMR United Macedonian Diaspora - Macedonia Name

)

..."we feel that perhaps a political modifier such as Democratic might be more acceptable only for international use to get rid of this erroneous name the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"...

[Volk]

Volk, I do point out where he says it - in fact I qouted it right underneath the video - read it again.

"political modifier such as Democratic might be more acceptable"- even this is not a statement calling for a name change. Ne li razbiras sto se slucuva ovde? Grcite nikogas ne bi se slozile so 'demokraska republika.." toa bi bilo poraz za niv, deka zemjata uste se ni se vika Makedonija.

Seriously either your thinking is clouded or your blinded by your vendetta. I am yet to see UMD call for a name change. Start of video: "we have compromised enough", end of video, " i do not think a compromise to the international name is acceptable to the Macedonian people or nation"

If this is your evidence....

[Risto the Great]

Volk, actually it was post #63 where you stated the following:

Originally Posted by Volk

well from the world bodies Macedonia has been admitted under fyrom, including the UN, WTO, IMF and most sporting bodies including FIFA and the Olympic Games. If you dont understand the abbreviations put them in google.

My question was simple, are you advocating that Macedonia renounce membership in all of these international organizations that have admitted us as fyrom? thus advocating isolation.

My point was if we can join these under fyrom why not NATO where we (theoretically) would receive the greatest strategic benefit

I said the following:

You have made it clear in this very thread that a name change for the purposes of NATO entry is acceptable to you.

I really don't know if there is anything to argue about in relation to your opinion on the matter. You did advocate a compromised name for the purposes of NATO membership. If you have changed your opinion, please let us know.

Volk, if you have not changed your opinion, you are merely perpetuating compromises. It appears that the UMD is of similar beliefs in the interests of "helping us all get along".

You talk of the "Macedonian cause". Well I think you have placed economic and strategic causes in front of the Macedonian cause. But we both clearly hold Macedonia dear to our hearts.

You might have misunderstood my line of questioning. I think you have the impression that I don't like these people, that they are not nice people. Well, I don't really know them. The fact that they might offer to pay for your PhD sounds like a nice thing to do. I want to like them so much that I will commit to a lifelong struggle defending their beliefs. But first we need to be sure about their beliefs, then I need to believe in them.

One of my beliefs is no compromises whatsoever in any form. We appear to differ here.

[Vangelovski]

Volk,

A name change is a name change. The fact that UMD supports a name change for the sake of false hopes such as NATO is treason. The fact that UMD even supports negotiations is treason.

This is not a game, this is a serious threat to our existence. Our sovereignty and human rights are not up for negotiation, yet this is exactly what successive Macedonian Governments have been doing and this is exactly what UMD supports.

[Struja]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

A name change is a name change. The fact that UMD supports a name change for the sake of false hopes such as NATO is treason. The fact that UMD even supports negotiations is treason.

This is not a game, this is a serious threat to our existence. Our sovereignty and human rights are not up for negotiation, yet this is exactly what successive Macedonian Governments have been doing and this is exactly what UMD supports.

Well the Macedonian government is also in favour of name change just to join Nato and the EU! UMD is only following the footstep of what the government is saying “we’re going to let the people make that choice in a referendum” which I think is a joke!

[Volk]

you did advocate a compromised name for the purposes of NATO membership.

kade?? kade baram, ili barav promena na imeto?! I never called for this, in the quote you provided I said it is better for Macedonia to join NATO under it fyrom, which it had already joined the numerous organisation under the same 'term', than not join.

Well I think you have placed economic and strategic causes in front of the Macedonian cause

Clearly the Macedonian cause is what counts, the strategy is simply an avenue to achieve them.

One of my beliefs is no compromises whatsoever in any form.

The word 'compromise' should be replaced by capitulation, because that's what it is. The only compromise I accept to dual formula.

[Volk]

The fact that UMD supports a name change for the sake of false hopes such as NATO is treason

They say they do not support a name change... you say they do.

you have not proven your point.

[Vangelovski]

Volk, you read and hear and still you don't understand. But we've already been through this a million times on Maknews.

And yes, RtG is right, you do advocate a name change for the sake of NATO - your own post betrays you.

[NikodimMKD]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Volk, you read and hear and still you don't understand. But we've already been through this a million times on Maknews.

And yes, RtG is right, you do advocate a name change for the sake of NATO - your own post betrays you.

That might be the case with certain members of the UMD, especially the members from the USA, but the vast majority of its members do not support compromise on the name.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by NikodimMKD

That might be the case with certain members of the UMD, especially the members from the USA, but the vast majority of its members do not support compromise on the name.

Nikodim, you make a good point - I have no idea what ordinary UMD members think, I'm merely tyring to make them aware of what the UMD leadership - Board Members - think. When I speak about the Board Members, I'm referring to the American-based Board Members, not the Australian ones. Unfortunately, the American Board members outnumber the others.