United Macedonia Diaspora

[Silver]

Originally Posted by Bratot

Is there something they or we should be afraid of... or maybe somebody else?

It's not the problem in contacting Meto or some umd members, the problem is in controversial statements that were said on behalf of the Macedonian diaspora.

Especially when nobody even heard of him let alone elected him president he just says it on our behalf!

[Grotius]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

they are the leading. look at their statement, office in dc office in melbourne office in toronto and look at those city listings. what other maso organisation is so wide-spread? got to give'em that.

T-K, where is their Melbourne office situated?

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

Where do they state that they represent ALL MACEDONIANS in those exact words??? Do you realize that you've been duped by Vangelovski to believe this. But considering that the mission statement was written in 2005 and he was still a board member as well as "the 11 Macedonians from Australia" ,since this is an important arguement to Vangelovski because he feels the "balance of power has shifted to Washington", I find it hardly makes sense to even challenge a claim the UMD never even made. I recommend you go back a few pages to see Vangelovski's reply when I asked him where he saw the claim he made up.

What claim have I made up? Who are these "11 Macedonians from Australia"?

The quote can still be interpreted both ways, and Meto himself has made that very claim on Maknews, only to have Lubi delete it once he was questioned about it. I agreed with you that the UMD statement can be interpreted the way that you interpret it, but in no means did I say it can't be interpreted the way others have.

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

My goodness I guess there will always be a spin on things concerning this issue. Again does it specify that they represent ALL MACEDONIANS in those exact words like you people claim?????? NO IT DOES NOT. It's just a claim perpetrated by Vangelovski when he left the UMD. I wonder though since that decree was written in 2005 did Vangelovski object to the Mission statement then when he was still a board member? Or is this gonna be another "I can't show you these emails because it would be unethical" excuse?

OK, so what portion of the macedonian community does the UMD represent? And where have they clarified that UMD views are the views of that portion?

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

prolet, stop being an instigator. u know umd is not pro-bulgarian. and why doesnt phoenix, vangelovski, indigien, warrior, pelister, and am i forgetting some of the dictatorial camp e-mail umd and meto? afraid of the truth? its easy to ask questions on forums and be 'BIG' guys.

I have spoken directly to the UMD, and their response/clarification verbally given to me was a total contrast to a statement that they released couple of weeks later on a matter that involved Macedonian interests. So why waste time calling them....Might as well expose the truth publically....Do you have a problem with that??
Its a known fact that they flip flop to please any audience that is silly enough to listen to them....Give them credit where its due, they are good publicists, but it has not substance if you scatch the surface. I think people call that "American propaganda" and most people in Oz will not stand for it..They lied themselves to believe that they have a solid proof for a war in Iraq and everyone in the UN will buy it..Obviously Powell made a fool of himself...If you cant reason an argument just use force....American way......UMD resembles such arrogance at times, except they dont use weapons...
So many orgnaisations over the years have been formed in Oz without any substance and quite frankly people are sick of it. Hence the reason you see more noise from down under!!

But to summarize the above i think the diaspora will be much better off with a UMD type organsiation than without it. Therefore the challenge for the UMD is to gain the support of the followers in the diaspora and listen to their views. Thats how policies should be formed and not on the bases what the Maco government thinks or the US Ambassodor Reeker or their leader.

The UMD can still be successful with some changes in the leadership and bringing few new ideas on the board...A "community" organisation that doesnt have an AGM is not legitamate....These changes need to be fast tracked and also an admission of past mistakes which will enable them to fast forward their growth within the community. So its not a total loss.....Time will tell..

[Pelister]

All the evidence suggests that UMD is a tool of Western foriegn policy.

1. UMD support for the negotiations
2. UMD support for Macedonians entry into the EU and NATO by the term FYROM
3. UMD who are pushing for Macedonia's "Integration" into Western institutions that negate us.

[Pelister]

Here is what a UMD Board Member was saying at Maknews.

Currency Trader wrote: Time to lock this thread down, and all future threads initiated by "Paul" which aims to spread garbage, lies and misconstrued claims. This pathetic individual has nothing but parroting to offer. His misconstrued claims has been busted by several people on this board. The UMD has already explained their positions multiple times, yet "Paul" continues with his fanatical rants. Its time to get rid of this amatuer crackpot.

My Response:

I'm not spreading lies.

UMD has played a major hand in censoring their own statements. All I have done is thrown their own statements back at them.

Clearly, Koloski and Mitreski can't handle it. I was particularly surprised by Mitreski's bullshit that our ties to Alexander the Great are a product of 20th century Macedonian nationalism.

This kind of historical revisionism practised by UMD should be a concern to all of us.

The above statement is a direct quote made by the President of UMD.

Anyone who wishes to verify it can go directly to the original statement to discover the truth of it.

Here are the ORIGINAL STATEMENTS and their ORIGIN made by the UMD President.


SUPPORT FOR NATO/EU – EVEN AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR NAME

1.
Meto Koloski on Macedonian Media Monitor
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macedo.../message/10565
13 March 2008

We have to be realistic, Macedonia if it wants to join NATO and EU it
has to join under a modified name, for those organizations ONLY.

2.

On Meto Koloski on ZMR
(at 1:38 minutes - YouTube - ZMR United Macedonian Diaspora - Macedonia Name)

..."we feel that perhaps a political modifier such as Democratic might be more acceptable only for international use to get rid of this erroneous name the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia"...

3.
Meto Koloski's Opinion Piece in the Washington Times
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...o-reckon-with/

A name to reckon with
Sunday, May 4, 2008

...It was Greece, not Macedonia, that rejected the most recent proposal to resolve the "name dispute." Moreover, Greece's veto violated the 1995 Interim Accord that it signed with Macedonia, which binds Greece's right to veto Macedonia's NATO bid or any other international organization that Macedonia would like to join as long as it joins under the U.N. provisional reference term used to identify Macedonia...

This is not only supporting and legitimising the Interim Accord, but is implying that Republic of Macedonia (Skopje) was a good proposal and condemning Greece for rejecting the proposal.

4.

SUPPORT FOR THE INTERIM ACCORD

UMD Sends Letter to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Regarding Greece
Thursday, 14 February 2008
http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/305/51/

...American policy on Macedonia’s NATO admission is in alignment with Article 11 of the Interim Accord, which bars Greece from impeding Macedonia’s accession to international bodies, including NATO, as long as Macedonia accedes under the Provisional Reference. A veto of Macedonia’s NATO admission based on Greece’s objection to Macedonia’s name would nullify the Interim Accord...

...The 1995 Interim Accord between Macedonia and Greece normalized relations, ended an illegal Greek trade embargo, and allowed Macedonia’s admission to the United Nations under the provisional reference term, “The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia” (the “Provisional Reference”)...

5.
UMD Dismayed By Greece's Veto of Macedonia
Thursday, 03 April 2008
http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/321/53/

…The Greek veto violates the 1995 United Nations brokered Interim Accord between Macedonia and Greece, which barred Greece from using the "name dispute" to impede Macedonia's NATO accession…

NATO: The Case for Macedonia
12 March 2009
http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/topi ... _id=853200

At the April 2008 NATO Summit in Bucharest, Macedonia's invitation to join NATO was denied when Greece vetoed it, based on its unilateral objections to Macedonia's constitutional name. This veto directly violated the Interim Accord between Greece and Macedonia, brokered by the United Nations in 1995 following a three-year economic embargo Greece imposed on Macedonia. The accord stipulates that Greece will not block Macedonia from joining international organizations, as long as Macedonia does so under the UN-brokered name, "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia," pending a UN-facilitated,mutually acceptable name resolution.

6.

Historical Revisionism by UMD

NATO: The Case for Macedonia
12 March 2009
http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/topi ... _id=853200

In 2001, Albanian extremists attacked Macedonian police officers and burned villages, demanding more rights in education, employment, and political representation. Through a U.S. - EU brokered agreement, the conflict was resolved and Macedonian-Albanians were accorded full rights, including higher education courses in the Albanian language and a 25% set-aside for the army, police force, and public administration. Today, Macedonian-Albanians fully participate in social and economic development, working with their countrymen to ensure the nation's membership into NATO and the EU.

[Pelister]

It's actually quite funny.

My useraccount at Maknews has been cancelled. Has Lubi banned me?

[Prolet]

Originally Posted by maknews

Paul is on a one week vacation.

Remind me to reactivate his account next weekend.

Pelister, I dont think Maknews is very impressed with you, im currently questioning the ban.

http://www.maknews.com/forum/general...ul-t18235.html

[TrueMacedonian]

Pelister can I ask you about this one here;

6.

Historical Revisionism by UMD

NATO: The Case for Macedonia
12 March 2009
http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/topi ... _id=853200


Quote:
In 2001, Albanian extremists attacked Macedonian police officers and burned villages, demanding more rights in education, employment, and political representation. Through a U.S. - EU brokered agreement, the conflict was resolved and Macedonian-Albanians were accorded full rights, including higher education courses in the Albanian language and a 25% set-aside for the army, police force, and public administration. Today, Macedonian-Albanians fully participate in social and economic development, working with their countrymen to ensure the nation's membership into NATO and the EU.

I noticed you changed this from UMD being Albanian terrorist sympathisers to "historical revisionism". Can you further elaborate on this?