United Macedonia Diaspora

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Rogi

To be clear, I'm not agreeing with either side of this argument, purely because I'm out of my element here and just don't know enough; I am not a Constitutional Law expert.

The Constitutional Law professor in Macedonia with whom I have been in contact, believes the Government has the Constitutional power to do what it is doing - which should not be the case.

In quoting the Constitution above, the point I tried to make is that this argument does not seem so black and white, it seems rather subjective and from what I have been reading here, it could probably go either way in the Constitutional Court.

No one is asking you to take sides, I have argued since this issue first came up that the Macedonian constitution has been wrongly worded giving the government too much power. It is not my fault that Vangelovski hasn't read the Macedonian constitution...

[TajnataKniga]

thats sad rogi. thanks for explaining to us. good luck with what you are doing. the macedonian cause is great cause.

what was said at the meeting? can you shed some light?

[Jankovska]

I am for real but once again it shows how immature you are and how you need to grow up. Defending yourself is a different thing, killing, raping innocent people is unnaccaptable. The Ustashi have done things you can't even imagine and you want me to sit here and listen to you telling me how right they were. That was wasn't army against army, it was cruel, one big nightmare lead by people who were thirsty for blood. Cetnici, Ustashi, se ti e isto. Don't make excuses for children being killed or women being raped. No excuse. they were not defenders only, they were attackers as well. Just because a Serb army is bombing your city, does it give you the right to go rape their women?
Why don't you grow up seriously and stop adding so much glory to the Croats or Serbs or WAR for that matter. War is never good, will you ever learn that? Stop making it like it's ok. The traumas of war last forever, they don't finish just because the was finishes.
As for the Diaspora, their Diaspora did what we did, fuck all. Collected few grand and that's it. You go fight for the country. You are seriously a big kid who doesn't understand that it's not all that simple. Stop telling me how they had the right to do what they did, they didn't have any rights. Most should be in Haag now/

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Jankovska, do let us know the response that Meto provides you, if your question is in relation to ZMR. Cheers.

solider wont you see him in australia? will you ask him and let us know?

[Buktop]

Rogi, I appreciate your devotion to the cause, and I am sorry you left UMD, they have lost a great contributor and the members have lost a great leader.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

risto, i privated you to call them up and get us an answer so we can end this 'witch hunt'. nobody wants to take the leadership. jankovska?

Why don't you call me TK? I will tell you things that will make your hair stand on end, but then I will deny it publicly. Why don't you call them TK? Better yet, why not simply deal with the matter publicly .... or else never be publicly interviewed in the future ever again because you might FAIL again.

[Rogi]

He made it clear that in his and their (US) view Macedonia is and should be a multi-ethnic country of its' citizens, and forget about being the country of the Macedonian people. Or words to that effect.

There was more that pissed me off, but what I just wrote in the previous sentence goes against the very first line of the definition of the Macedonian Cause. In fact, I had that meeting in mind when I drafted that very first sentence.

[TajnataKniga]

that is crazy! macedonia is multi-ethnic but in the end its the homeland of macedonians. albanians have a homeland, albania and kosovo.

[TajnataKniga]

sounds like you spoke to this guy and now have a vengence against him. in english we say 'you don't got no balls.'

[Jankovska]

Originally Posted by Rogi

I didn't have the time available, though perhaps more so the motivation and enthusiasm, to make it to the Board Meetings and Conference Calls.

In fact I missed quite a few of them and I probably should have been off the Board long ago.

Nor did I have the time to keep responding to the attacks on UMD on this forum and others, on comments I didn't make, comments I too personally have issue with.

That, and other things, like a meeting with the US Charge D'Affairs to Macedonia, Tom Navratil, in 2008 which made it absolutely clear to me, though others seem to ignore it, that the US is no friend of Macedonia's and the views of the US in Macedonia are in stark contrast to the goals we define in the Macedonian cause) and a number of other things, some smaller, some bigger.


That all said, my motivation and enthusiasm and dedication to work for the Macedonian Cause is in no way lowered.

In fact it is at its' peak - I want the Macedonian Cause to be defined and adopted by the Macedonian Parliament, I didn't waste my time writing that initial draft, that will end up being a historic document. In 100 years, if anybody wants to dispute who the Macedonians were and what they stood for, they'll be destroyed by the definition of the Macedonian Cause which lays it all out.

I personally think it;s a great loss not to have you on the board and I am not saying this just for I don't know what reason, but because through the years I have read everything you write, stand for and you are one of the most stable guys with dedication to Macedonia and the Macedonian cause. Life is very demanding we all know that but thank you for everything you have done and are doing. I honestly think in the UMD all people should be like you, no mixed messages, just plain clear.