United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 112

Phoenix · 01-12-2010, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by slovenec zrinski

You don´t need the greeks,bulgarians,serbians or albanians to destroy you. You are doing a great job of that yourselfs.
Sad to see. Both here and on Maknews.

If this makes UMD more accountable to the feelings of the diaspora even by a 1% improvement it will have been worth it...

I just don't think you understand or have an appreciation of the enormity of what's at stake here

Vangelovski · 01-12-2010, 05:23 AM

Phoenix,

That is a typical UMD tactic when questioned over its stance - play the victim.

Bij · 01-12-2010, 05:40 AM

there's a saying about ohrigjani in bitola. 'ohrigjani se tupi kako traktori'. sadly, the generalisation is usually true. i know of one or two exceptions though ;-)

jankovska, what do you mean by australia has a direct line to skopje? maybe in the days of JAT, but not in a long time have we had a direct flight to macedonia or even remotely close.

my main problem with ohrid is its full of srbi.. who will come to macedonia and speak serbian everywhere and have serbian spoken to them everywhere... and then macedonians go to serbia and speak serbian. HELLO, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Jankovska · 01-12-2010, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bij

there's a saying about ohrigjani in bitola. 'ohrigjani se tupi kako traktori'. sadly, the generalisation is usually true. i know of one or two exceptions though ;-)

jankovska, what do you mean by australia has a direct line to skopje? maybe in the days of JAT, but not in a long time have we had a direct flight to macedonia or even remotely close.

my main problem with ohrid is its full of srbi.. who will come to macedonia and speak serbian everywhere and have serbian spoken to them everywhere... and then macedonians go to serbia and speak serbian. HELLO, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Sorry Bij I meant from London while Skopje or Ohrid don't. To bring tourisam into the country you must have access to cheap and regular air traffic. without it it's not going to work.
Ohrid is beautiful but Ohrid is overpriced, hospitality is near to nothing, it's doesn't get cleaned properly and you get ripped off on every step. Don't think that people will just visit a place just because it's beautiful, it needs to be affordable. Ohrid is not to the standard to accomodate only the mega rich and it's overpriced for the normal mortal people. I am hoping Ohrigani learn fast because it will be devestating and it is not to use Ohrid's beauty to max. People will be getting out of macedonia this summer, Ohrid will be empty unless they decide to charge a resonable price for a glass of beer. i bet everyone will be in Bulgaria this summer and why not. It's nice, cheap and chearfull and £50 return ticket. i could fly on a friday and return on a monday and still spend less than I would in London for a weekend

Something needs to be done about the tourisam in Macedonia, something serious and quick. It's not just Ohrid, Dojran and Prespa. Prespa hardly every gets mentioned, I wonder why?

Jankovska · 01-12-2010, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Prolet

Jankovska, You where the one who is so against Ohrid, who do you go there for the city or the people?? In Summer time, Ohridsko is full of Skopjani and Bitolchani. Biri kolku sakash

Oh great, Ohrigani, Skpopjani (isti kurac, razlicni dimenzii), haha baba taka vika.

Phoenix · 01-12-2010, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Phoenix,

That is a typical UMD tactic when questioned over its stance - play the victim.

I had an issue with UMD's press releases, their failure in my opinion was that they often sounded as though they were representing American interests ahead of Macedonia's or that they used inappropriate language that lacked urgency or failed to convey the true feelings of the diaspora...

Others have raised UMD's ambiguity in specific statements, or a lack of strategy regarding their stand on Macedonian Government policies.

This debate is the sum of all of those different concerns, raised by various individuals, this has been perceived by UMD as an 'agenda'...

With so many concerns, UMD can't continue to bury their heads in the sand...

Prolet · 01-12-2010, 07:01 AM

Phoenix, Its not what people say its what they do, we heard how Sestra Ljube said that he was going to protect every Macedonian Citizen or what about when Vojvoda Ljubco said that he was go to Solun and put a Macedonian flag up on Beas Kule does this kind of talk satisfy our people or would we rather hear the real stuff and get the best we can get?? I honestly dont see know what people are expecting here, we have a fairly large diaspora that spends very very little, thats divided that wants so much yet offers very little and i mean very little its already been a failure that for 20 years we managed just one court rule in order to remove the Slav out of our language and we should be happy with that???

In 2001 we where at war and we couldnt manage to get $500,000 does anybody know how much a Chopper cost?? I heard the Skopsko and Bitolsko drushtvo raving on about how they managed to send $7000 to the Special Forces is this suppose to do anything for them?? They probably wont be able to cover the food costs with that money so no wonder Cacko will say that our people are even prepared to give $20 for the flag where is our leverage what leg do we have to stand on when we make such comments?? The Croats sold their cars and houses and sent millions for weapons to their Domovina this was also well documented by the then Croatian President Franjo Tudjman its why they have a country while we are still here bickering and moaning about who supports the Framework and Interim Agreements when in return we have nothing to offer any Macedonian in Macedonia be it Egejska or Pirinska this is reality and i think we should be concentrating more on what we can do and look at how our enemies are portraying us and how much they are spending to destroy us like the Greeks in the late 80s and early 90s if we want a say and if we want to criticize sure we can do that however we need to have something in our hands in order to do so otherwise its nothing more then just empty words.

Pavel · 01-12-2010, 07:13 AM

No one here said we should be happy with just one court victory. Don't put words in other people's mouths. It's about how some people can't admit they made a mistake and try to cover it up and how people from another forum/organisation were attacking the whole Australian Macedonian community. Now they are surprised people are annoyed.

Soldier of Macedon · 01-12-2010, 07:19 AM

Prolet, you're beginning to ramble on about things that aren't exactly relevant to the situation, as our issues differ to those of Croatia for example. The 2001 conflict in Macedonia was not the same as the Yugoslav Wars of the 90's.

Were there Croatian Diaspora groups calling for a compromise with the Serbs in the 90's, and if so, please show me evidence of it, and of the reaction to it by the Croatian Diaspora.

We are not 19th century peasants who have to blindly follow those claiming to be our 'leaders' or organisations that claim to work on our (Diaspora) behalf. This is not about prolonging divisions, or creating them, it is about addressing words and actions. And most importantly, taking responsibility for past errors, giving peace of mind to other Macedonians that such errors are acknowledged, explained, and assuring that they never happen again.

To lead, one must first know how to serve those they are leading.

Prolet · 01-12-2010, 07:24 AM

Whos putting words into other people's mouths?? Im not happy at all however im very grateful because 15 years ago we where in a terrible situation and the Greeks never believed that we would last this long without a name change, this is why there are tensions on their side now because we are finally starting to fight back and we are not bowing to their demands like the others did before.

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01-12-2010, 05:23 AM	#1112
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Phoenix, That is a typical UMD tactic when questioned over its stance - play the victim. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

01-12-2010, 07:19 AM	#1119
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Prolet, you're beginning to ramble on about things that aren't exactly relevant to the situation, as our issues differ to those of Croatia for example. The 2001 conflict in Macedonia was not the same as the Yugoslav Wars of the 90's. Were there Croatian Diaspora groups calling for a compromise with the Serbs in the 90's, and if so, please show me evidence of it, and of the reaction to it by the Croatian Diaspora. We are not 19th century peasants who have to blindly follow those claiming to be our 'leaders' or organisations that claim to work on our (Diaspora) behalf. This is not about prolonging divisions, or creating them, it is about addressing words and actions. And most importantly, taking responsibility for past errors, giving peace of mind to other Macedonians that such errors are acknowledged, explained, and assuring that they never happen again. To lead, one must first know how to serve those they are leading. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-12-2010, 05:40 AM	#1113
Bij Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 905	there's a saying about ohrigjani in bitola. 'ohrigjani se tupi kako traktori'. sadly, the generalisation is usually true. i know of one or two exceptions though ;-) jankovska, what do you mean by australia has a direct line to skopje? maybe in the days of JAT, but not in a long time have we had a direct flight to macedonia or even remotely close. my main problem with ohrid is its full of srbi.. who will come to macedonia and speak serbian everywhere and have serbian spoken to them everywhere... and then macedonians go to serbia and speak serbian. HELLO, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

01-12-2010, 07:01 AM	#1117
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	Phoenix, Its not what people say its what they do, we heard how Sestra Ljube said that he was going to protect every Macedonian Citizen or what about when Vojvoda Ljubco said that he was go to Solun and put a Macedonian flag up on Beas Kule does this kind of talk satisfy our people or would we rather hear the real stuff and get the best we can get?? I honestly dont see know what people are expecting here, we have a fairly large diaspora that spends very very little, thats divided that wants so much yet offers very little and i mean very little its already been a failure that for 20 years we managed just one court rule in order to remove the Slav out of our language and we should be happy with that??? In 2001 we where at war and we couldnt manage to get $500,000 does anybody know how much a Chopper cost?? I heard the Skopsko and Bitolsko drushtvo raving on about how they managed to send $7000 to the Special Forces is this suppose to do anything for them?? They probably wont be able to cover the food costs with that money so no wonder Cacko will say that our people are even prepared to give $20 for the flag where is our leverage what leg do we have to stand on when we make such comments?? The Croats sold their cars and houses and sent millions for weapons to their Domovina this was also well documented by the then Croatian President Franjo Tudjman its why they have a country while we are still here bickering and moaning about who supports the Framework and Interim Agreements when in return we have nothing to offer any Macedonian in Macedonia be it Egejska or Pirinska this is reality and i think we should be concentrating more on what we can do and look at how our enemies are portraying us and how much they are spending to destroy us like the Greeks in the late 80s and early 90s if we want a say and if we want to criticize sure we can do that however we need to have something in our hands in order to do so otherwise its nothing more then just empty words.

01-12-2010, 07:13 AM	#1118
Pavel Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 155	No one here said we should be happy with just one court victory. Don't put words in other people's mouths. It's about how some people can't admit they made a mistake and try to cover it up and how people from another forum/organisation were attacking the whole Australian Macedonian community. Now they are surprised people are annoyed.

01-12-2010, 07:24 AM	#1120
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	Whos putting words into other people's mouths?? Im not happy at all however im very grateful because 15 years ago we where in a terrible situation and the Greeks never believed that we would last this long without a name change, this is why there are tensions on their side now because we are finally starting to fight back and we are not bowing to their demands like the others did before.

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