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Prolet · 01-11-2010, 08:10 AM

Buktop, I thought the Democrats where in Power?

Buktop · 01-11-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Prolet

Buktop, I thought the Democrats where in Power?

I am talking of a Republic, i.e. the form of government that Macedonia has.

Jankovska · 01-11-2010, 08:58 AM

i agree it's their job and the gov is to blame, and I blame them.

Bill77 · 01-11-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Prolet

Come on knock this shit off

This is getting ridiculous and dumb, all of the sudden you are anti-Macedonian if you support our troops going to Iraq or Afghanistan. Like it our not our soldiers are in Afghanistan and thats that its the administration thats sending them there that is to blame not the average soldiers who are doing their duty and serving their country.

Lets not turn this into an us vs them battle, we dont need anymore divisions and blame eachother when the decisions are already made.

Yeh guys, lets bash Alpha instead.

He is fun. HEY ALPHA BUDDY...... jump in and save us from riping each others throats....lol

UMDiaspora.org · 01-11-2010, 11:00 AM

UMD is pleased to inform you that the premiere of A Name is A Name will be held in Washington, D.C. on February 1, 2010. A formal invitation/flyer will be posted with full details this week.

Stay tuned. However, in the meantime, please save the date.

To view the trailer of the film, please visit http://www.anameisaname.com

Dimko-piperkata · 01-11-2010, 01:58 PM

i hope this video will give the EU a wakeup call

Rogi · 01-11-2010, 05:00 PM

I would like to see a thorough and open (public) decision tree developed on Macedonian foreign policy, development and strategic & national interests which shows all options and paths available to Macedonia.

With that, it would show that the worst path, in the long term, is to continue negotiations (and all that follows), whilst terminating the negotiations is the best path (despite the assumed possible short term consequences).

Vangelovski · 01-11-2010, 05:32 PM

Meto, how about the Framework Agreement?

If UMD supposeldy does not support the Interim Accord, will it finally explain its President's numerous statements not only supporting a name change, but providing "acceptable" variations?

Why has UMD highlighted aspects of the Accord that have been violated by Greece, if not to call on Greece to enforce the Accord and by virtue of doing so, believes that the Accord is legitimate?

Further, if UMD supposedly does not support the Interim Accord, will UMD publically call on the Macedonian Government to declare it null and void and REVERSE the injustice that it implemented through the Accord (like the vast majority of diaspora organisations do), or is this just another token statement to appease the masses on MTO?

Vangelovski · 01-11-2010, 05:34 PM

Buktop, will you state your silly theories or shall I paraphrase them for you?

UMDiaspora.org · 01-11-2010, 06:18 PM

UMD does not work to appease masses Vangelovski. UMD does not support the Interim Accord, and you will see some positive developments once our policy statements come out reiterating the positions of UMD.

Regarding the Framework Agreement, we will need to check with our Director of Public Policy Boban Jovanovski. He can be contacted at [email protected] as well. Several of UMD's co-founders and officers have written on the topic of Framework Agreement and opposing the agreement.

However, some background on some of the views that may reflect policy. The Framework Agreement is a highly tricky subject, as all parties in Macedonia signed the agreement (whether we believe they were forced into signing or not). In addition, the Framework Agreement is embedded within the Macedonian Constitution now, and the DUI, which is one of the signers, was invited by VMRO-DPMNE to form the current government coalition. Furthermore, implementation of the Framework Agreement has become a prerequisite to EU membership, according to the EU Council reports on Macedonia, and the Macedonian Government is working to implement the Framework Agreement. Within the Macedonian Government, there is a Deputy Prime Minister specifically tasked with implementing the agreement. This is where it becomes very tricky.

Unfortunately, in our view, the Macedonian political leaders and communities abroad, although vocal in some instances, were not able to fully successful advocate the Macedonian positions to gain the support of the international community. During this time, Macedonia was viewed as the "bad guy" and the Albanians, the "good guy."

UMD was founded in 2004, few years after the signing of the Framework Agreement and few months after decentralization, and/or right around the time decentralization occured. UMD co-founders were vocal against the redistricting of Macedonian municipalities along ethnic lines. UMD did, however, bring up views of the Diaspora on the Framework Agreement in our meetings with then President Branko Crvenkovski, then Prime Ministers Vlado Buckovski/Harry Kostov, and then Foreign Minister Ilinka Mitreva both in New York City and in Washington, D.C.

Any thoughts would be appreciated and taken into consideration.

Please see article by Steve Gligorov and Meto Koloski on Decentalization - http://maknews.com/html/articles/koloski/koloski8.html

On the name issue, here is an article by UMD co-founder Steve Gligorov that may be of interest to some: http://www.fpa.org/newsletter_info24...etter_info.htm

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01-11-2010, 11:00 AM	#1035
UMDiaspora.org Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United States, Australia, Canada Posts: 525	Washington, D.C. Premiere of A Name is A Name - February 1 UMD is pleased to inform you that the premiere of A Name is A Name will be held in Washington, D.C. on February 1, 2010. A formal invitation/flyer will be posted with full details this week. Stay tuned. However, in the meantime, please save the date. To view the trailer of the film, please visit http://www.anameisaname.com

01-11-2010, 01:58 PM	#1036
Dimko-piperkata Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Occupied Macedonia 1913 Posts: 1,876	i hope this video will give the EU a wakeup call __________________ 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum... 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

01-11-2010, 05:32 PM	#1038
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Meto, how about the Framework Agreement? If UMD supposeldy does not support the Interim Accord, will it finally explain its President's numerous statements not only supporting a name change, but providing "acceptable" variations? Why has UMD highlighted aspects of the Accord that have been violated by Greece, if not to call on Greece to enforce the Accord and by virtue of doing so, believes that the Accord is legitimate? Further, if UMD supposedly does not support the Interim Accord, will UMD publically call on the Macedonian Government to declare it null and void and REVERSE the injustice that it implemented through the Accord (like the vast majority of diaspora organisations do), or is this just another token statement to appease the masses on MTO? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams Last edited by Vangelovski; 01-11-2010 at 06:11 PM.

01-11-2010, 05:34 PM	#1039
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,521	Buktop, will you state your silly theories or shall I paraphrase them for you? __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams Last edited by Vangelovski; 01-11-2010 at 08:36 PM.

01-11-2010, 08:10 AM	#1031
Prolet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,241	Buktop, I thought the Democrats where in Power?

01-11-2010, 08:58 AM	#1033
Jankovska Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,774	i agree it's their job and the gov is to blame, and I blame them.

01-11-2010, 05:00 PM	#1037
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,343	I would like to see a thorough and open (public) decision tree developed on Macedonian foreign policy, development and strategic & national interests which shows all options and paths available to Macedonia. With that, it would show that the worst path, in the long term, is to continue negotiations (and all that follows), whilst terminating the negotiations is the best path (despite the assumed possible short term consequences).

01-11-2010, 06:18 PM	#1040
UMDiaspora.org Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United States, Australia, Canada Posts: 525	UMD does not work to appease masses Vangelovski. UMD does not support the Interim Accord, and you will see some positive developments once our policy statements come out reiterating the positions of UMD. Regarding the Framework Agreement, we will need to check with our Director of Public Policy Boban Jovanovski. He can be contacted at [email protected] as well. Several of UMD's co-founders and officers have written on the topic of Framework Agreement and opposing the agreement. However, some background on some of the views that may reflect policy. The Framework Agreement is a highly tricky subject, as all parties in Macedonia signed the agreement (whether we believe they were forced into signing or not). In addition, the Framework Agreement is embedded within the Macedonian Constitution now, and the DUI, which is one of the signers, was invited by VMRO-DPMNE to form the current government coalition. Furthermore, implementation of the Framework Agreement has become a prerequisite to EU membership, according to the EU Council reports on Macedonia, and the Macedonian Government is working to implement the Framework Agreement. Within the Macedonian Government, there is a Deputy Prime Minister specifically tasked with implementing the agreement. This is where it becomes very tricky. Unfortunately, in our view, the Macedonian political leaders and communities abroad, although vocal in some instances, were not able to fully successful advocate the Macedonian positions to gain the support of the international community. During this time, Macedonia was viewed as the "bad guy" and the Albanians, the "good guy." UMD was founded in 2004, few years after the signing of the Framework Agreement and few months after decentralization, and/or right around the time decentralization occured. UMD co-founders were vocal against the redistricting of Macedonian municipalities along ethnic lines. UMD did, however, bring up views of the Diaspora on the Framework Agreement in our meetings with then President Branko Crvenkovski, then Prime Ministers Vlado Buckovski/Harry Kostov, and then Foreign Minister Ilinka Mitreva both in New York City and in Washington, D.C. Any thoughts would be appreciated and taken into consideration. Please see article by Steve Gligorov and Meto Koloski on Decentalization - http://maknews.com/html/articles/koloski/koloski8.html On the name issue, here is an article by UMD co-founder Steve Gligorov that may be of interest to some: http://www.fpa.org/newsletter_info24...etter_info.htm

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