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Old 02-29-2012, 11:36 AM   #21
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SOM, i have no intention to involve any conversation with you.......
Onur, we had a disagreement on linguistics. You need to either get over it already, or, go back to that thread and substantiate your claim that most Balkan placenames that end with 'ovo' can be explained through Turkic.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...t=3181&page=10
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......but you have to remember that i was the one again who noticed dialogue like messages between Voltron and Ottoman with only one minute interval between all msgs of them.
Do you also remember all of the other threads where I supported you and your views? Or have you conveniently forgotten these?
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Only then you have banned Ottoman at that time but you didn't notice anything about that at all.
You may have been one of the first to notice that something wasn't right, but you weren't the only one. It was only a matter of time before that was addressed.
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So, which one worths 2 cent now? Your forum administration or my comment for that?
Your comment, like I previously indicated. Because you insinuated that the administrators were too busy arguing with fellow Macedonians to notice people abusing their own forum. In fact, such a lie isn't even worth 2 cents.
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The Dark Side of Bulgaria's Treatment of the Jews
Published: Saturday, July 21, 2012
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ar...cle.aspx/11944

In the shadow of the terror attack in Borgas, the media recalls how the Bulgarian government saved Bulgaria's Jews from the Holocaust - but not what they did to the Jews of Greece and Yugoslavia, which the Bulgarians considered part of Bulgaria.
With the July 18, 2012 terrorist attack against Israelis in the city of Burgas, the Bulgarian government found itself the subject of praise, as a result of their protecting their nation's Jewish population during the Holocaust. The following day, an Arutz Sheva column and even Fox News extolled Bulgaria's record, noting that last week's bombing was the first such attack in the nation's history, and explaining how the Bulgarians saved their Jews during WWII.
This is an often repeated statement, but it is a half truth; there is another, dark chapter to the story.
The contemporary media reported how "Bulgaria became the only Nazi-allied country in World War II to protect its entire Jewish population" or that "Bulgaria saved all of its Jews from the death camps."
While the Bulgarian king, government, the public, and the clergy, did in fact take laudable actions which halted the deportation of a certain 50,000 Jews from parts of Bulgaria to German death camps in Poland, there is no reason why the Bulgarian government should not discuss - and admit to - the 13,000 non-Bulgarian Jews their soldiers dispossessed, imprisoned, and deported from land they were occupying during the war.
On March 1, 1941, Bulgaria entered into a pact with the Axis powers and participated in the German-led attack on Yugoslavia and Greece. As a reward from Adolf Hitler, Bulgaria received most of the Balkan area known as Thrace and Macedonia. Stating that Thrace and Macedonia were their ancient Bulgarian lands, they declared the territory "New" or "United Bulgaria" and, within one month, initiated a colossal national campaign of Bulgarization against the citizens of that area that included deporting all of the area's 13,000 Jews.
The Jewish communities of Yugoslavian Thrace and Greek Macedonia were made up mostly of Spanish-speaking Jews, descendants of refugees expelled from Spain in 1492. In March 1943, the Jews of the cities of Kavala, Drama, Komotini, Seres, Xanthi and Alexandroupolis, were dragged from their beds at midnight, barely dressed, in sub-freezing conditions and placed into warehouses in their respective cities.
The Bulgarian military established a blockade around the cities to prevent escape. Bulgarian soldiers broke into Jewish homes and hauled out their inhabitants. The Jews were forced to walk, for many miles, being whipped by troops; many Jews died along the way from cold, malnutrition and beatings. They were placed in tobacco warehouses, women were raped, and then locked inside freight trains as human cattle for the dreaded trip to Treblinka-many dying en route. The Jews of Monastir were locked in ghettos, their property looted and stolen by Bulgarian policemen, who checked house by house, to ensure that all the family members had left and all valuables were confiscated.
In all, over 13,000 Jewish people, husbands, wives, grandparents, sons, daughters, cousins, aunts and uncles, were deported by Bulgarians to Treblinka where they were murdered in German gas chambers. .
In the eyes of the Parliament at Sofia, Thrace and Macedonia soon became legitimately and completely Bulgarian. The governmental organization in Thrace and Macedonia, its infrastructure, civic administration, general educational system, institutes of higher learning, religious bodies, economy, and culture became wholly and legally Bulgarian. The government was extremely proud of this, and established and funded patriotic organizations in Macedonia to show the people and tell the world that Macedonia was their own. They formed cultural and charitable organizations in their beloved United Bulgaria, and commissioned, printed and issued, nearly seven million commemorative postage stamps in 1941, recalling the "recovery" of Macedonia.
Yet today, when it comes to discussing how 13,000 Jews from Thrace and Macedonia who were deported by Bulgarian police officers and soldiers to Treblinka where they were killed, Bulgaria remains silent. They laud themselves for not allowing the deportation of Bulgaria's 50,000 Jews, but it seems that the "price" paid to the Nazis for letting them save their "own" Jews was the deaths of the Jews of Macedonia and Thrace.
The deaths of 13,000 Jews occurred with the direct participation and knowledge of ho the Bulgarian government in alliance and volunteer partnership with Nazi Germany. 98 percent of Macedonia's Jews were deported - none survived.
To counter current accusations of lack of human rights on the world stage, on more than one occasion, Bulgaria has revisited the claim that it had saved 50,000 Jews, and that Bulgaria was "humanitarian," and that it would keep up its "respect for human life and human dignity." On at least one occasion, ex-president Peter Stoyanov said that the Jews' rescue from deportation was "the best answer to the constantly asked question, 'What have you contributed to European civilization?' "
Now, with the murdeous Islamist bombing attack on Israelis tourists visiting Bulgaria, the Bulgarians are basking in the glory of how they elected not to kill 50,000 Jews, how they saved them and how they have always been friends to the Jewish people. Not "always" and not to all of the Jewish people..
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German Archives show Bulgarians rounded up and transported Macedonian Jews
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/22629/45/



The rounding up and transportation of the Macedonian jewish population was done by the Bulgarian Government. The so called Bulgarian patriots in Sofia continue to claim their Government had nothing to do with Macedonia's jews, however newly released evidence straight from the German archives show that Macedonia was occupied by Bulgaria as the eastern neighbor was part of Germany's axis during WW2.

Great deal of documents show Sofia was fully in charge of the entire operation, it even negotiated the price with the Nazis. All documents are in Bulgarian, signed by Bulgarian representatives at Skopje's train station and army officials responsible for occupied Macedonian territories.
For instance one document clearly shows the train trip Macedonian jews (3545 adults and 592 children) will make to their final destination, the concentration camp Treblinka in Poland.
For this 'work', the Bulgarian Government charged Nazi Germany 7,144.317 lev.

For the remaining Macedonian jewish community this is just additional evidence about the direct involvement of the Bulgarian Government in the deaths of 98% of the Macedonian jewish population.
The Bulgarian army is also responsible for stealing treasures not just from Macedonia's jews, but also emptied numerous museums around the country.



How can the Bulgarians deny this...?
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Greece launched a book on Bulgaria's participation in the persecution of the Jews
http://www.netpress.com.mk/mk/vest.a...4&kategorija=5



Another testament to the participation of Bulgaria in the arrest and deportation of Jews to death camps, a book titled "The Rescue", was recently promoted in Greece, Athens correspondent Netpress.

"Night March 3 against 4, 1943 year, 187 members of the Jewish community in New Orestiada Greek territory under Bulgarian occupation, were captured literally while you sleep and sent to Nazi concentration camps, where after the war returned only three" - this is one of many examples in the book of Greek authors scour Lampsa and Jacob symptoms, in which 431 page through photos, documents and testimonials shown Bulgaria's participation in the persecution of the Jews by the Macedonian and Greek territories which were under Bulgarian occupation .

Book authors write that even 86 percent of Jews who zheveele Greek territory occupied by Bulgaria were arrested and deported to concentration camps.

Thessaloniki however, Bulgaria has managed to deport even 96 percent of the Jewish population, said in the text.

The emphasis in the book is placed on assistance or zasolnishtvoto that Greece gave part of the Jews who were lucky to be saved from one of the two choices that the Bulgarian authorities in cooperation with the Nazis put available - terrible end or horror without end.

Just a reminder, the number of Jews from Bulgaria Macedonian territories under Bulgarian occupation deported right to death is over 7200 or 98 percent of the total Jewish population in Macedonia.

"Good idea Bulgarian Ambassador in Athens gave this book to his President Boris as further evidence that the Bulgarian authorities collaborated with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews of Macedonian and Greek occupied territories," said Philip Paul Netpress Voskopoulos leadership party of Macedonians in Greece "Rainbow".

Given the fierce criticism that the Bulgarian state leadership sent to the Macedonian film "The Third Half" which covers the same topics, it remains an open question - whether there will be and what will be rekacijata Sofia in terms of this book, packed with authentic documents .

"Instead of the middle of Athens to talk about art as a movie, it would be better Mr. Borisov to read these documents from the book," said Pavle Filipov Voskopoulos.
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Have a read of the article in full, it is translated from google. It is interesting to note what Darko thinks of the Bulgarians, I have highlighted it in red.

Debate in the U.S. for the treatment of Jews from Bulgaria
Darko Mitrevski: Come in and both the other and the third, let him sue Washington!

Upon the request of the Bulgarian Embassy in Washington a little squares in the city to be named after Dimitar Peshev, Bulgarian credited for saving the Bulgarian Jews from deportation, and after the Holocaust Museum in Washington as a counter-pointed the deportation of 11,000 Jews from Bulgaria, that was exactly the theme of the discredited Macedonian film "Third Half" by the Bulgarians, for this talk to the director and screenwriter of the film, Darko Mitrevski.

Bulgaria received a slap from Washington precisely the topic that you fiercely attacking you for "Third Half" - is not disputed rescue of Bulgarian Jews from the concentration camps, but it is arguable that we Bulgarians, allies of Hitler, sent 11,343 Jews from Macedonia and northern Greece Nazi camps. This looks like some sort of satisfaction for you?

When six months ago I was asked what I like about this battle, I replied, with ten goals difference. Not because I am a very gifted football, but because it is spoken is one hundred percent true, which can be checked in all the museums, historical institutes and universities in this white world (except in Bulgaria!), And that my political opponents speak a hundred percent lie. Bulgarian MEPs threatened with lawsuits in Strasbourg for the film "The Third Half" Bulgarian government tried to obstruct Macedonia's integration into the European Union - and remember that some "Macedonian intellectuals" just in me found guilty of failing to "Macedonian EU integration "(whatever that means). Well here, Come and both the other and the third, let him sue Washington! If they punch, of course.

But there is another - at least for me - stunning work: a couple exceptions, Macedonia lacked any public debate or response to these attacks. Not heard a voice from historians, journalists, politicians (whether government or opposition), writers, artists, university professors, public figures, the Jewish community, the church, the academy ... There was something unheard of: a local art to be branded a ( follow me) nerdy, fashizoidna, anti-Semitic and anti-Macedonian policy - and nobody in Macedonia it does not affect. Year and a half through the movie spit homeland, and in no country do not feel threatened, nor invited to respond. Somehow it was treated as a private dispute between me and the Bulgarian state.

Well, with this I got this dispute. The laurels are just mine, you're zachinam stuffed them in Delight will have you eating in my garden in Los Angeles.

The Bulgarian historians and politicians were easy to trumpet all the bells of America to the European Union that "Third Half" falsifies history, it was "Hitler film", "provocation of the Macedonian government", "film about hatred towards Bulgarians'" another forgery which builds on the Macedonian identity ". Now that you got such a strong ally of the subject, as I will explain Bulgarian protests against the film its pointless and lobbies that are not funded, not showing ...

First of all, let's not use the term "Bulgaria". I have nothing against Bulgaria, which I think we share a common history - in a way that common history shared by Germany and Austria (and still no normal in Berlin, Hamburg or Munich would not dare to deny the existence of the Austrian nation!). Bulgaria is a country in whose home turf, at the initiative of the Bulgarian Church and Bulgarian intellectuals were rescued nearly 50,000 Jews at the hands of pro-Nazi King Boris III and his puppet gang: Release Philota, Gabrovo Minister and Commissioner Belev (one and all declared fascist and anti-Semite ). No I biev battle against Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people. In fact, any battle I have no intention Arabia against anybody - but when I attacked the ideological descendants of Bogdan Philota, I just defended his work, something that every director would do.

And as far as lobbying for prohibition, "Third Half" in Macedonia saw 90,000 spectators, was shown around the United States, signed a contract for regular kinodistribucija in France, Germany, Australia, Canada, China, South Korea and Japan, Spring will welcome the universities of Oxford, Zagreb, Munich, Moscow ... To where you touch the power of lobbying as I felt not even for a second? Probably the border in Kyustendil.

Then Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, among other things, that directly attack you do "Hitler film" for Bulgarians. "Bulgaria has never had a swastika flag. We never mix. On the contrary, the first to recognize Macedonia, worked to abolish visas for you, help you and now we say - with hitlerski film, "he said and then ended with celebration" For we found that topic? ". What I'd ordered at the moment?

Before you answer, please note that Boris is currently no longer prime minister of Bulgaria - Bulgarian citizen but ordinary, as I am a citizen of Macedonia and the United States. So, my response was not addressed to the national institution representing the former badigard of Todor Zhivkov, but to him personally.

Like this:

Boyko, do you have Internet at home?

If you have, you naminuvash on YouTube?

If naminuvash, if you watched the interview NETA Cohen, the woman whose life story was filmed movie "The Third Half", given to Spielberg's Shoah Foundation-?

In this interview NETA clearly says that her family - her father, barely adult brothers, sister six years, cousins, cousins, strikovcite, aunts, all her blood relatives - one and all in the gas chambers of Treblinka had sent the Bulgarian army and police .

Boyko, talking about women in a single day you lost your entire lineage, all their loved ones, everything she had - at the hands of people who wore uniforms of the state you govern! And not just one woman, but the whole nation.

Boyko, screw you what I thought a bystander in Balkan politics, me and you (probably) consider me a "traitor to Bulgarianness", "Macedonian language freak", "the Serb-communist mercenary", "Judeo-Masonic agent" "German-Russian element" and that everything I did.

Batali, most seriously telling you!

We're talking about human accidents.

For great personal tragedies.

For tips black lives.

For all that you called it "a lie" and called me "a liar".

Well, I have no problem with you calling me a 'liar'. From your mouth it sounds like a compliment. But what do we do with people who have been deprived of everything? And do they lie?

Think well what you answer.

Is there announced that the film will soon begin to show in Bulgaria?

"Third Half" will be displayed in Bulgaria when the Bulgarian state and its security services will allow its presentation on Bulgarian territory or cease to intimidate all those distributors who have expressed a desire to commercially demonstrate this movie.

In other words - when Bulgaria, a member of the European Union, will become a democratic and free country in which intellectual work and free thought are not sanctioned by the highest authorities of the executable and the legislature.

Until then - WWII in this part of the Balkans is not over.

http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/darko-m...hat-vashington
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Same morons, same story, different year.

https://www.rt.com/in-motion/377863-...sofia-general/
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Hundreds of far-right nationalists from around Europe marched through Sofia on Saturday to honor World War II general, Hristo Lukov, known for his Nazi affiliations. The 'Lukov March,' organized by the far-right Bulgarian National Legions (BNL), has been held annually since 2003, involving participants from France, Germany, Sweden, Poland, and Hungary. Heavy police presence was deployed in the Bulgarian capital as the march proceeded to lay flowers at General Lukov's house, the site of his assassination in 1943. Lukov was minister of war from 1935-1938, and led the Union of Bulgarian National Legions (UBNL).
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Politics was supposed to be a very brief interlude in Rashela Mizrahi’s career as a scientist. A 39-year-old Jewish fertility researcher from North Macedonia, she was appointed last year to serve for 100 days as the temporary minister of labor in her Balkan country, situated north of Greece. She was deemed a good nonpartisan pick to serve as a placeholder ahead of elections. “I had zero interest in politics,” Mizrahi told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. “But I thought it’d send a good message for women. Plus, like any Jewish daughter, I wanted to make my parents proud.” But what began as a token stint resulted in multiple diplomatic spats and the country’s worst-ever wave of public antisemitic rhetoric. Along the way, Mizrahi became an unlikely hero for many of her country’s conservatives and a fighter for preserving the memory of a Jewish community that the Nazis and their allies almost rendered extinct. It all started in February, she said, during a routine press conference that she gave at the labor ministry in the capital Skopje weeks after she became its temporary boss.

“I talked unemployment, stimulus plans, welfare. The usual stuff,” she recalled. But in media reports, Mizrahi’s message was upstaged by the backdrop: A large wooden sign that read “the Republic of Macedonia.” This was an issue, because the previous year Macedonia had changed its name to North Macedonia due to pressure from its richer and larger neighbor, Greece. That country has long argued that its northern neighbor’s former name implied territorial claims to Greek’s northern province, which is also called Macedonia. The sign landed Mizrahi at the center of a polarizing debate between Macedonian hawks who see the 2020 name change as surrender to a foreign power, and doves who defended the change as a pragmatic gesture that opened the door for Macedonia to join NATO and in the future also the European Union. Mizrahi was not a member of any political party back then and said that she had no intention of making a political point at the press conference. She didn’t even make the sign, which Mizrahi says was “just part of the furniture.” “The sign was just there. I didn’t have it put up there,” she said.

But as a business and science-oriented straight talker with little interest in diplomatic niceties, Mizrahi did not hide her disdain for the controversial name change. “You can thank my predecessor, who didn’t commission any new signs. Maybe she recognizes that this is the Republic of Macedonia and that we’re Macedonians,” Mizrahi said to reporters about Mila Carovska, a member of the left-leaning SDSM party that led the name change. Greece’s ambassador protested the remark and then Nikola Dimitrov, North Macedonia’s foreign at the time, warned that Mizrahi was putting “Euro-Atlantic aspirations in danger.” She was fired just five weeks into her three-month stint. But what might have ended as the axing of a novice politician snowballed into the country’s first-ever wave of antisemitic rhetoric — with Mizrahi as its target. Branko Trickovski, a well-known journalist and a supporter of the left-wing SDSM party, ridiculed Mizrahi on Facebook, describing her as a zealot for Macedonian and Jewish nationalism, who gets her strength from “eating hummus made of dead Jews.”

Mersiha Smailovic, a former official from the ministry that Mizrahi had headed, on Facebook wrote that Mizrahi was planning to place an Israeli flag at her office. Another SDSM activist called her a “Jew who worked for the Nazi occupation in World War Two.” It triggered “a stream of hundreds of antisemitic messages. Death threats. Even against my daughter,” Mizrahi said of her two-year-old, her younger child she had with her husband, a 43-year-old welder who comes from a Christian Eastern Orthodox family. “I’m still afraid. Not so much for me but for my daughter. I never thought this could happen in this country, where antisemitism never used to be a part of life,” Mizrahi said. “It has changed how I see my country.” It has also caused her to change her career plans. “I decided I can’t walk away, I needed to stay and fight,” she said. Parking her career as a consultant and researcher for an international pharmaceutical company, Mizrahi joined the VMRO right-wing opposition party and became a lawmaker in parliament. She’s North Macedonia’s first-ever Jewish parliament lawmaker since it broke away from Yugoslavia in 1991. According to a report titled “Antisemitic Discourse in the Western Balkans” published this year by the International Republican Institute, a nonprofit whose mission statement is promoting democracy, the Mizrahi affair showed that “antisemitic narratives exist [in North Macedonia] and are utilized for political gain. Antisemitism is used to sow divisions within the country, which subsequently increases its vulnerability to manipulation.”

The rhetoric on Mizrahi also shocked other members of the Jewish community, a tiny minority of about 200 people, which hasn’t grown since the Holocaust, when the Nazis and collaborators murdered about 98% of Macedonian Jewry. “We had lived here without antisemitic statements before,” said Maja Susha, an educator and Holocaust researcher who is a member of North Macedonia’s Jewish community. “But after what happened with Rashela we saw the real reality.” The antisemitism has since subsided and life is safe for Jews, said Susha, who like almost all of North Macedonia’s Jews lives in Skopje. It’s a placid capital where about a quarter of North Macedonia’s 2 million citizens live, mostly in crumbling Soviet-era buildings that are juxtaposed with a staggering wealth of statues and classical style monuments. The anti-Semitism came as less of a surprise to Mizrahi’s father, Viktor, who for many years had led the Jewish community. The Holocaust shaped much of the way that Rashela Mizrahi and her brother Rahamim were raised by their parents Viktor and Liljana, a convert to Judaism who observes the religion more devoutly than her husband. “I was encouraged to be a doctor. Rahamim to become a lawyer. Why? Because these are professions so vital that the recipients of your services don’t care if you’re Jewish,” Rashela Mizrahi said. Her parents “were terrified when I stepped into politics,” Mizrahi said. “But they were also very proud.”

In parliament, Mizrahi focuses on initiatives that will help young people gain an education in North Macedonia – which she still refuses to call by its new name – and on projects to mitigate the country’s brain drain problem. But it’s Mizrahi’s foreign policy actions that grab headlines in the Balkans. In addition to vocally opposing concessions to Greece, Mizrahi is a prominent critic of what she considers the left-wing government’s appeasement of neighboring Bulgaria — another powerful neighbor whose actions have had a devastating effect on Mizrahi’s own family. On Dec. 30, Mizrahi delivered a speech in parliament about Bulgaria’s role in the Holocaust, when Bulgarian forces occupied what is today North Macedonia and helped round up 98% of the area’s 7,000-plus Jews and deport them to be murdered by German troops. Standing against the giant Christmas tree that decorates parliament in Skopje during the holiday season, Mizrahi held up pictures of her dead relatives and asked Prime Minister Zoran Zaev: “Who killed them?” The video, that went viral on local social networks, was a protest over Zaev’s decision last year to remove from government property any memorial plaques for World War II victims that called their killers as belonging to the “Bulgarian fascist occupation,” because “Bulgaria was not a fascist occupier of Macedonia but an administrator,” as he put it. “My family was not murdered by an administrator’s pen, Mr. Zaev,” Mizrahi said in parliament.

Her protest echoed the position of the Jewish Community of the Republic of North Macedonia, a nonprofit that represents Macedonian Jewry’s interests. Last year, it accused Bulgaria of “deliberately whitewashing its dark history and thus distorting the truth about the Holocaust.” But Mizrhai’s speech was the first time that this accusation was discussed in such a way in North Macedonia’s parliament, according to Sasha Uzunov, an Australia-based journalist and an expert on Macedonian politics. And it has made Mizrahi “a very visible politician,” he said. Both that speech and her push against the name change have turned Mizrahi “in a way into a hero” for many people in North Macedonia, Susha added. She is also speaking for many Bulgarian Jews, said Lyna Degen, a Bulgaria-born Dutch-Jewish psychologist who has written extensively about the Holocaust in her native country. “The danger in Macedonia, as I see it, is that the leader of the country is willing to revise the history of the Holocaust in order to please Bulgaria, whose support they need in order to become a member of the EU,” Degen said. “It is very unusual that a Jewish politician raises awareness for the atrocities perpetrated by Bulgarian troops,” Degen added. “I don’t know of any other politician doing this” besides Mizrahi.
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