United Macedonia Diaspora

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Pelister

These are intelligent guys. They don't make stupid and careless mistakes.

I have my doubts about the "intelligent" part, Peli.

R E S O L U T I O N OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE UNITED MACEDONIAN DIASPORA

DATED: JUNE 13, 2009
The Board of Directors of the United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD), on the occasion of UMD's First Global Conference, affirming UMD's unwavering and consistent support for retention of the constitutional name ....hereby declares:

Macedonia has a state name - Macedonia and not a "constitutional" name - Republic. Macedonian state was renewed at first sitting of АСНОМ on 2 august, 1944, Prohor Pchinski Monastery.

WHEREAS, the Macedonian people, upon peacefully securing their independence, rightfully chose their historic and ancestral name for themselves and their state, and

Macedonians did NOT PICK AND CHOOSE A NAME for their state or for themselves in 1991! It is more than moronic to claim that they did, IMO! The Macedonians and Macedonian citizens SIMPLY PROCLAIMED SOVEREIGNTY of the state of MACEDONIA via referendum in Sept. 1991. The modern state of Macedonia has been in existence since 1944 and has had several constitutional titles.

WHEREAS, the Republic of Macedonias constitutional name is central to the identity and self-determination of the Macedonian people, their Macedonian language, culture and heritage.

More nonsense! I fail to see how "Republic" is "central to the identity and self-determination of the Macedonian people, their Macedonian language, culture and heritage". IMO, ideological vacuum heads create such passages.

RESOLVED, that the United Macedonian Diaspora, reiterates its unwavering support for retention of the constitutional name of the Republic of Macedonia, rejects attempts to impose any name contrary to the historically accepted and democratically affirmed name of the Republic of Macedonia and the Macedonian people, and urges the full membership of Macedonia in NATO and a date certain for negotiations for membership in the European Union.

What can we make of the following "INTELLIGENT" BISER: "the historically accepted and democratically affirmed name of the Republic of Macedonia"? How historic is "REPUBLIC"?

Enough said.

[UMDiaspora.org]

UMD is STRONGLY against a name change, and we repeat STRONGLY against a name change! How specific does one need to be? UMD has even referred to the atrocities/ethnic cleaning/genocide committed by the Greek government and Greek people of the Macedonian people as GENOCIDE. How many organizations have stated this?

[makedonche]

Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

UMD is STRONGLY against a name change, and we repeat STRONGLY against a name change! How specific does one need to be? UMD has even referred to the atrocities/ethnic cleaning/genocide committed by the Greek government and Greek people of the Macedonian people as GENOCIDE. How many organizations have stated this?

Will you state categorically and unequivocally that the name/dispute/ negotiations must cease immediatley?
Will you state that Macedonia must commence proceedings for redress at UN level to remove the illegally imposed FYR?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Meto, here are a couple of questions.

Do the UMD support the name negotiations or speak out against the concept of negotiating about the Macedonian identity?

Do the UMD support the Ohrid Agreement or speak out against this 'treaty' that forces Macedonians to accept ethnic Albanian criminal enclaves where the police are not permitted to enter, and ethnic Albanian language and terrorists in the Macedonian parliament?

Or is this something applauded by the UMD?

Please don't make the mistake of referring me to some info.link again. If you are unable to answer, or don't wish to, then simply ignore the questions, that would be a telling answer in itself in any case.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by UMDiaspora.org

UMD is STRONGLY against a name change, and we repeat STRONGLY against a name change! How specific does one need to be? UMD has even referred to the atrocities/ethnic cleaning/genocide committed by the Greek government and Greek people of the Macedonian people as GENOCIDE. How many organizations have stated this?

I would welcome a public discussion from the UMD and Meto which includes an assessment of Meto's statements in the past about his version of a realistic and acceptable solution and how it represented a gross error on his part. And how the UMD as a collective group found the statement(s) utterly unacceptable and how much it represents a deviation from the UMD policy.

[makedonche]

I believe my questions were just as good - I'm still awaiting a response - my patience is not endless!

[Buktop]

Why do you people feel entitled to responses from UMD and METO on an internet forum? Why don't you send them e-mails with questions or attend one of their workshops. If you don't like something about UMD why don't you get off your asses and do something about it instead of gang style internet bashing led by the likes of Paul who obviously has his own personal vendetta against the organization.

[makgerman]

I partially agree with you Buktop that disagreements between Macedonians and an Organisation representing the Macedonians should be settled in a manner that would be beneficial to all Macedonians, eg email, letter etc.

However, if organisations refuse to reply or totally ignore serious concerns raised by individuals then I believe the issues should be made public. A serious concern to me is an action that would allow for the renaming of our country, language and/or identity without the approval of the overall majority of Macedonians.

I am not on anyone's side and this is a general statement.

Personal disagreements/vendettas, accusations, insults, gang style bashings etc should remain personal.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Why do you people feel entitled to responses from UMD and METO on an internet forum? Why don't you send them e-mails with questions or attend one of their workshops.

Are the questions we are asking in expectation of some 'top secret' information or responses for the eyes of certain individuals only? We are the Macedonian Diaspora, they claim to represent the Macedonian Diaspora, we are entitled to responses based on that fact alone. What sort of representatives are they when on the one hand they willingly participate on our forum yet on the other refuse to answer questions? Why is it a problem for the UMD to answer questions in public? Why is it a problem for you? People like you dramatize it to such an extent that anybody would think we are asking for their banking details.

If you don't like something about UMD why don't you get off your asses and do something about it instead of gang style internet bashing led by the likes of Paul who obviously has his own personal vendetta against the organization.

Gang-style internet bashing? I am no enemy of the UMD, I have made it clear several times that I agree totally with neither the UMD or Pelister, but as a Macedonian from the Diaspora I want the UMD to engage and interact with the people they are supposed to represent, I want them to clear the air and come out with some strength of character, of which I am sure they are capable. That would be much better than simply referring all questions to some info.com link, and I don't see how it would differ if it was done in a public seminar type of environment, personal email, or on this forum, it will all feed back to the public somehow, as it should, so it would be better for them to make their statements open and have the public view them first hand. There aren't a 1000 Macedonian forums requesting the same thing, in fact, apart from the MTO and Maknews, I doubt there are many if any at all.

By the way Buktop, you can leave your 'gang-style' attitude at Maknews where it belongs, because it has no place here, nor do you have some dictator to come and 'bulldoze' through the voice of Macedonians from Australia, Europe or elsewhere (including the Americas) because he doesn't agree with their opinions. Perhaps it has been to your benefit in such an arrangement, but here at the MTO we have 4 people that have equal responsibility as administrator's which ensures a much higher degree of objectivity.

[Phoenix]

I think there's far more worth in keeping this debate public than there is hiding it behind closed doors, the debate itself opens other questions and attracts the attention of far greater numbers of concerned Macedonians...if everything is transparent there's less to hide and more of us can read from the same page.

UMD has a unusual fear of public scrutiny, I find that perplexing and it has shown a disturbing lack of professionalism when it comes to confronting its critics...if UMD struggles with one or two vocal critics on a forum site how does it cope with the 'BIG-boys' at the top end of town...?