The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

[tchaiku]

In Thessaly, in these years the Vlachs were the majority of the population. But when Albanian multiplied, they began to displace from the plain of Thessaly Vlachs. Yet we must have into account, that the Venetians, who held then Pteleos (Ftelio) in the southeastern part of Thessaly, were happy with the Albanian immigration, because the Albanians were used as a prison in eastern Thessaly by the raids of the Catalans, who They were established in Salona (Amfissa). [ " Except receiver of varying these fiancé Angels inheritance (continent) then enafanisthisan the first in the plain of Thessaly and greater Albania migrant multitudes apotelesanton neon and robust component of this population. Albanians edioun APAS outdoor place and because brought meth se woman Taq, the number thereof was increased rapidly and began antikathistanontes Vlachoi, eutin up to that time constitute a maximally plurality of egkatoikon Thessaly, itis thereof was termed Megalovlachia. The receiver Venetian (Pteleos), Efron, that Albania 'This migration of providing the great benefit that by this apischolounto the Catalan so as to ifkairoun attacking against neighbors. "Miller - Lambros" The Franks in Greece ", vol. I, 354.]

Both of the Vlachs, but also from the Albanians distinguish Karagounides of Thessaly, whose language contains Latin, Romanian and Arvanitika elements. Previously there was fierce Albanian element in Dacia (Romania today in some) who homing and then forwarded to Thessaly. This breed, which is miscegenation Albanians and Romanians are probably the Karagounides. The Alvanoroumanoi is also known as Arvanitovlachs

[Carlin]

The first settlement of Arvanites in Crete

The first settlement of Arvanites in Crete is associated with the loss of the Venetians of Methoni (and Koroni) during the Veneto-Turkish war (1499 - 1503). During this war the Venetians "lost" Methoni (Modon) on August 10, 1500, after the residents had previously actually raised heroic resistance against the Turks, who besieged it. From Venetian sources we know that at that time, the defenders of Methoni were mostly Venetians, indigenous Morians (Morias) and Arvanites who had fled to those places to escape the Turks.

An interesting feature of the city siege is summarized in the following text. Once again, this text is based on Venetian sources and comes from the book “The encyclopaedia of Islam: a dictionary of the geography, ethnography and biography of the Muhammadan peoples”, Τome 3, 1936, page 547:

“The lot of the surviving garrison and other inhabitants of the town was a hard one. They were either massacred in most inhuman fashion or sent to slavery. Very few of them succeeded in escaping. But the number of people captured did not come up to the expectation of the Turks, because the Venetian authorities had earlier sent thousands of old men, women and children from Modon to Crete and Zante … The Venetian Senate at once saw to the settlement of a number of the refugees from Modon to Cephalonia....”

As we can see the Venetians, before the Turks began to besiege Methoni, transferred to the island of Crete and Zakynthos, i.e. to safer places, the elderly residents and women and children of the city, leaving only those who could really defend it. One can find many reasons for doing so, but the main one is related to the supply of the city during the long siege. It is certain that supplying a mixed population, including civilians, is much more demanding and difficult than supplying a purely military body.

After the fall and destruction of Methoni, its old inhabitants, the Venetians, the Morians, the Arvanites could not, of course, return back there. The Venetians "distributed" and settled them permanently in Crete, Zakynthos, Kefalonia and perhaps Corfu.

Venetians did the same in the case of Nafplion, which they "lost" from the Turks in 1540. And here we have the case of a city that also resisted to the end. And in this case we have the same "sharing" and settlement of the refugees in Crete, Zakynthos, Kefalonia and Corfu. In this movement is mentioned a relative decision of the Venetian Senate of 1541.

Moreover, at the time when the Turks besieged Methoni and Koroni in the summer of 1500, the Venetians had also transferred to Crete and Zakynthos and the inhabitants of Koroni. However, because the Koroni defenders handed their own city to the Turks, a week after the fall of Methoni, the inhabitants of Koroni were able to return there.

This has plainly demonstrated - with historical facts - that certain number of today's inhabitants of Crete are of Albanian/Arvanite ethnic descent.

[tchaiku]

This has plainly demonstrated - with historical facts - that certain number of today's inhabitants of Crete are of Albanian/Arvanite ethnic descent

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I wonder how much.

[tchaiku]

An Albanian village in Morea named Vlacho number 155.

[tchaiku]

https://books.google.com/books?id=3e3rAAAAMAAJ&q=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9+%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85:&dq=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9+%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85:&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9xZyc_dbUAhVJWhQKHTK_AMAQ6AEIJjAA

Author Βασιλης Παναγιωτοπουλος
Edition reprint
Publisher Ιστορικο ΑρΧειο, Εμπορικη Τραπεζα της Ελλαδος, 1985
Original from the University of Michigan
Digitized Dec 12, 2009
Length 414 pages

https://books.google.com/books?id=3e3rAAAAMAAJ&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%AF&dq=%CE%A0%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%85%CF%83%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82+%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9+%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%AF+%CF%84%CE%AE%CF%82+%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BD%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85,+13%CE%BF%CF%82-18%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%8E%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%82&source=gbs_word_cloud_r&cad=4

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More on author of the book:

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Βασίλης_Παναγιωτόπουλος

[Carlin]

The Greek community of Venice [Greek community = Greek Orthodox community]

The main Arvanite migration to Italy was not in the lower (southern) Italy, but in the north of Italy, especially in Venice. This migration began in 1482, when the Venetians agreed with the Turks to move much of the Orthodox Arvanites who lived in the Venetian territories to other Venetian areas. In 1482 there were thousands and thousands of Arvanites in the Venetian territories, and the Venetians moved at least 5,000 just to Venice, where the Arvanites were "exploited" for their military capability, some as warriors on horseback (stradioti). A smaller portion of Arvanites the Venetians moved to Cyprus, which they later defended against the Turks around 1570. Also, as we already saw in my post above, the Venetians moved Arvanites to Crete, where they remained until 1669, when Crete finally fell to the Turks. Smaller portions were colonized on the Ionian Islands and mainly Zakynthos, Kefalonia and Corfu. Later a part of them settled in Andros in the Aegean.

In Venice, the Greek-Orthodox Arvanites were the founders of the Greek community of Venice. The members of this community, until the fall of Cyprus in 1571, was almost exclusively Arvanites. I suspect this was first changed with the arrival of Cypriot refugees in 1571 and later even more with the arrival of Cretan refugees in 1669. Even with these changes, the Greek community of Venice remained majority Arvanite. The Greek community of Venice was also a kind of "national center" of all Arvanites and often incited riots of Orthodox Arvanites who lived in the Turkish-occupied territories. And as expected, because this community was established in Venice, it depended on the Venetian interests and support.

[Carlin]

According to the above register, the Greeks of the region were less than Albanians: 1,742 Greek families and 1,836 Albanians are counted. More information can be found in the book by Vasilis Panagiotopoulos: "Population and settlements of the Peloponnese, 13th-18th century" (Historical Archive, Emporiki Bank of Greece, Athens, 1987), from which the above aggregate tables .
(Amphipolis can you help us what is this picture representing, which region etc?)

Αναλυτικά στοιχεία για όλα τα χωριά τής ΒΔ Πελοποννήσου μπορείτε να δείτε στο Παράρτημα “Α” (κάντε κλίκ εδώ). Στη στήλη (γ) σημειώνονται με το γράμμα Ε τα ελληνικά και με το γράμμα Α τα αλβανικά χωριά. (Για την περιοχή τής Αχαΐας για παράδειγμα, το ποσοστό των οικισμών με αρβανίτικο όνομα είναι 74,5%).

Detailed information about all the villages of ND Peloponnese can be found in Annex "A" (click here). Column (c) is marked with the letter E in Greek and the letter A with the Albanian villages. (For example, the percentage of settlements with an Arvanite name is 74.5% for the Achaia region).


E = Greek
A = Albanian




What about this? Which region (Achaea?) or what is it talking about families, villages etc?

http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=372

The following Hellenic toponyms/village names are very interesting (and non-Greek): Arvanokastro, Politsa, Franka Villa, Garditsko, Mokiste, Vesini, Porta, Sandameri.

I wonder what languages / dialects were spoken in these ORTHODOX villages?

[VMRO]

Great find Carlin, love your work!

[Amphipolis]

The following Hellenic toponyms/village names are very interesting (and non-Greek): Arvanokastro, Politsa, Franka Villa, Garditsko, Mokiste, Vesini, Porta, Sandameri.

I wonder what languages / dialects were spoken in these ORTHODOX villages?

The languages are presented next to the name of the neighborhood, E for Greek, A for Albanian, M is for (uninhabited) fields. The population is presented in column (η) in houses/families, not people.

Note, these are NOT villages or settlements, but smaller sites & groups of people working in lands of the Ottoman feudal system. The only clear villages are the ones noted with a Z (Ziamet) instead of T (Timar) (e.g. Chalandritsa, Sandameri, Kardasi? etc.) that's why the population is higher there.

This is from a tax document covering a rural location S-SW of Patra in NW Peloponnese.




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[tchaiku]

The languages are presented next to the name of the neighborhood, E for Greek, A for Albanian, M is for (uninhabited) fields. The population is presented in column (η) in houses/families, not people.

Note, these are NOT villages or settlements, but smaller sites & groups of people working in lands of the Ottoman feudal system. The only clear villages are the ones noted with a Z (Ziamet) instead of T (Timar) (e.g. Chalandritsa, Sandameri etc.) that's why the population is higher there.

This is from a tax document covering a rural location S-SW of Patra in NW Peloponnese.




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The population presented is based on modern inhabitants.

[Amphipolis]

The population presented is based on modern inhabitants.

No, the populations are from 1461/1463, most of these sites are unknown and do not exist anymore.

[tchaiku]

No, the populations are from 1461/1463, most of these sites are unknown and do not exist anymore.

What does (0) column stand for?

[tchaiku]

The languages are presented next to the name of the neighborhood, E for Greek, A for Albanian, M is for (uninhabited) fields. The population is presented in column (η) in houses/families, not people.

Note, these are NOT villages or settlements, but smaller sites & groups of people working in lands of the Ottoman feudal system. The only clear villages are the ones noted with a Z (Ziamet) instead of T (Timar) (e.g. Chalandritsa, Sandameri, Kardasi? etc.) that's why the population is higher there.

This is from a tax document covering a rural location S-SW of Patra in NW Peloponnese.




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Is this related to the sites of Ottomans or just settlements?

According to the above register, the Greeks of the region were less than Albanians: 1,742 Greek families and 1,836 Albanians are counted. More information can be found in the book by Vasilis Panagiotopoulos: "Population and settlements of the Peloponnese, 13th-18th century" (Historical Archive, Emporiki Bank of Greece, Athens, 1987), from which the above aggregate tables .

[Amphipolis]

What does (0) column stand for?

If you mean (θ), the last two columns are concentrated amounts of money.

Is this related to the sites of Ottomans or just settlements?

I don't understand the question.

[tchaiku]

Thank you. And nevermind my question. You are not in the place to know the answer I should recheck the page. But if you are curious what I meant was is that census (based on families ex 1762 Greek families) related to the Ottoman sites like those that we just discussed above.