United Macedonia Diaspora - Page 231

Bratot · 02-09-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

Great that's one person not from Australia... Where are you from Bratot?

Central Europe.

Do you need more ppl who share our views and are from USA/Canada?

Just say it if those numbers matters on this thread.

Pavel · 02-09-2010, 06:33 PM

That makes no sense. this forum has exposed many problems with umd. people dont just follow an organisation because of a "cool name". if you meant what you said then you should have been supporting the WMC. they were around long before umd and have a global reach. you are just another umd stooge.

Vangelovski · 02-09-2010, 06:57 PM

I'm still waiting for someone from UMD to provide us with a copy of the opinion piece that Meto supposedly wrote and was published in The Age.

Buktop · 02-09-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Australian Macedonians have been described as "too nationalistic" by some USA/Canadian types. In a time when Macedonia is being eroded in front of our eyes, would you say the voice for nationalism and patriotism must be strong and fearless? Now is not the time for political correctness, now is the time to assert the Macedonian identity in a forthright manner and make it extremely obvious who we are and what we stand for. We don't need the UMD flying halfway across the world still meekly justifying some "not too bad" changes to our name.

Seriously Buktop, is now surely the time to be assertive? I can't think of a more pressing issue.

I have no problem with you guys being assertive, but I fail to see how a diplomatic approach and an assertive approach contradict each other.

The talk of a "not too bad" change happened 2 years ago. It is no longer an option and is no longer an issue as it is no longer advocated.

I understand the problems that Macedonians in Australia face with the blatant racism and denigration of the Macedonian community, we in the USA and Canada do not face these same problems, therefor our approach is more diplomatic as it proves to be more effective with the communities and governments. This is where I believe a great deal of the resentment exists.

Buktop · 02-09-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bratot

Central Europe.

Do you need more ppl who share our views and are from USA/Canada?

Just say it if those numbers matters on this thread.

My point is not to label all Australians anti-UMD, I am simply stating that the majority of anti-UMD sentiment is found in Australia, see my above post for my opinion why.

Risto the Great · 02-09-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

The talk of a "not too bad" change happened 2 years ago. It is no longer an option and is no longer an issue as it is no longer advocated.

I remain unconvinced with the attempt Meto made to distance himself from this issue in my little Youtube broadcast of the Adelaide UMD presentation. Lord knows I would been unequivocal about the matter.

Bratot · 02-09-2010, 08:34 PM

Buktop there is no anti-UMD sentiment in general but simply a logical reaction to a few Board members who seems to be the 'policy makers' in UMD and ignore the voice of the diaspora.

We have every right to point out to their mistakes and to ask for their responsibility.

And I might not seen the "success" in the current politic of UMD as you claim, or maybe you are refering to the personal fulfilment of some members?

Soldier of Macedon · 02-09-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I remain unconvinced with the attempt Meto made to distance himself from this issue in my little Youtube broadcast of the Adelaide UMD presentation. Lord knows I would been unequivocal about the matter.

There is no doubt about it, Meto still supports the notion of prefixa de democratica. The Adelaide clip confirms this.

Like TajnataKniga, the (now missing) member of this forum, he said that, well, Macedonia is democratic afterall, so it's not all that bad.

Vangelovski · 02-09-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buktop

The talk of a "not too bad" change happened 2 years ago. It is no longer an option and is no longer an issue as it is no longer advocated.

Buktop, it should NEVER have been an option. It has NEVER been and NEVER will be an option for any Australian Macedonian organisation.

What happens the next time the wind changes directions? Will Meto go with it again? He's already flip-flopped from no name change, to pro name change to supposedly no name change again.

Buktop · 02-09-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bratot

Buktop there is no anti-UMD sentiment in general but simply a logical reaction to a few Board members who seems to be the 'policy makers' in UMD and ignore the voice of the diaspora.

We have every right to point out to their mistakes and to ask for their responsibility.

And I might not seen the "success" in the current politic of UMD as you claim, or maybe you are refering to the personal fulfilment of some members?

You are kidding right? Do I really need to compile a list of some of the more colorful comments made on the subject?

I have no problem with you reacting or pointing out mistakes, as long as it is done constructively and not destructively.

No I am referring to actual achievements made by UMD, feel free to check their website.

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02-09-2010, 06:33 PM	#2302
Pavel Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 155	??? That makes no sense. this forum has exposed many problems with umd. people dont just follow an organisation because of a "cool name". if you meant what you said then you should have been supporting the WMC. they were around long before umd and have a global reach. you are just another umd stooge.

02-09-2010, 06:57 PM	#2303
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,509	I'm still waiting for someone from UMD to provide us with a copy of the opinion piece that Meto supposedly wrote and was published in The Age. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

02-09-2010, 08:34 PM	#2307
Bratot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,855	Buktop there is no anti-UMD sentiment in general but simply a logical reaction to a few Board members who seems to be the 'policy makers' in UMD and ignore the voice of the diaspora. We have every right to point out to their mistakes and to ask for their responsibility. And I might not seen the "success" in the current politic of UMD as you claim, or maybe you are refering to the personal fulfilment of some members? __________________ The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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