United Macedonia Diaspora

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Rogi

He resigned on Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:57 AM, though that was just the end of what had been going on for months prior and perhaps years.

Internally among the UMD Board, there were many, many emails and discussions against almost every UMD press release, consistently, with the same arguments being made today. I recall that, despite the attempt, we never did get a clarification or clear response from everyone outlining clear individual positions.

I know why he left and I share his views and positions on Macedonia. Though I remained on the board until a few weeks ago, I did my best back then to convince Vangelovski to stay on the UMD Board and keep the balance.

rogi, can you shed some more light to this? why did you leave UMD?

[TajnataKniga]

are any of you constitutional law experts? i mean c'mon. the constitution of any country is open to interpretation. the supreme court of the us constantly interpreted the constitution over and over again on each case.

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

prolet, it didn't matter in the slightest how much money the diaspora gave (or didn't) to the war effort in 2001...the outcome was predetermined by the USA...even if our diaspora had the means to raise billions of dollars the outcome would have been EXACTLY the same...at the end of the day our access to arms was cut-off and the ability to move arms into Macedonia was cut-off...they're some serious issues to overcome when you're fighting a war.

The sad thing is that as a people we don't learn...after a few years we're right in bed with the people that did everything in their power to destroy us.

you are severely clueless. albos were raising $2 million at one fundraiser for politicans, macedonians were raising $0. dont give me no BS that the situation was predetermined, predetermined by our lack of unity and organization. verska njemash.

[TajnataKniga]

risto, i privated you to call them up and get us an answer so we can end this 'witch hunt'. nobody wants to take the leadership. jankovska?

[Prolet]

TK, First tell us which country you are from

[Buktop]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Thanks Rogi.
Buktop, where do you think the "balance" is now that 2 like minded people in Rogi and Vangelovski are now no longer involved with the UMD?

I have already asked Vangelovski why he quit considering that he had a better position of influence within UMD as a board member, but he neglected to answer. I do not know the reasons for Rogi's resignation and therefor I cannot comment on them, I can only say that the loss of such an intelligent person is a detriment to UMD and Macedonians all over the world.

Vangelovski is not like minded to Rogi at all. He speaks of ideals and principles but does not experience the reality of the present situation, Vangelovski cannot be reasoned with and therefor is impossible to carry on any sort of discussion with, so I believe UMD is better off without his sort of individuals.

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Prolet

TK, First tell us which country you are from

does it matter? im from the united kingdom of macedonia.

[Prolet]

Jankovska, Are you for real?? You would kill too if you where invaded, who bombed Dubrovnik?? Who Invaded Vukovar and turned it to Ashes?? The Croats had no choice but to defend their land, the killing was done on all sides everyone is as guilty as eachother however the Albanians walked all over us and freely did what they liked in 2001.

Phoenix, How did we end up getting the military equipment from Ukraine?? Like the old saying goes "Kade Burgija ne bushi, tamu parata bushi" the Serbs where under an embargo and they got alot of oil from us,Romanians,Bulgarians etc Our army had very poor weapons, mostly old and out dated something that you would use for scrap metal.

[Rogi]

I didn't have the time available, though perhaps more so the motivation and enthusiasm, to make it to the Board Meetings and Conference Calls.

In fact I missed quite a few of them and I probably should have been off the Board long ago.

Nor did I have the time to keep responding to the attacks on UMD on this forum and others, on comments I didn't make, comments I too personally have issue with.

That, and other things, like a meeting with the US Charge D'Affairs to Macedonia, Tom Navratil, in 2008 which made it absolutely clear to me, though others seem to ignore it, that the US is no friend of Macedonia's and the views of the US in Macedonia are in stark contrast to the goals we define in the Macedonian cause) and a number of other things, some smaller, some bigger.


That all said, my motivation and enthusiasm and dedication to work for the Macedonian Cause is in no way lowered.

In fact it is at its' peak - I want the Macedonian Cause to be defined and adopted by the Macedonian Parliament, I didn't waste my time writing that initial draft, that will end up being a historic document. In 100 years, if anybody wants to dispute who the Macedonians were and what they stood for, they'll be destroyed by the definition of the Macedonian Cause which lays it all out.

[Buktop]

The constitution of the Republic of Macedonia provides the authority for the parliament of Macedonia to act on behalf of the citizens who voted for them...

I have said this from the first post, Vangelovski doesn't seem to understand that and continues to argue nonetheless. Whether or not he has actually read the constitution of the Republic of Macedonia I don't know (doubt it) but he refuses to admit when he is wrong, even though the relevant constitutional clauses have been posted for him...