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Old 12-29-2008, 09:52 PM   #41
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With no claims, it should be really easy to amend its constitution in a similar fashion to Macedonia's.
I agree, but then again European Union member states are not in the invasion business, so the people of Macedonia can sleep safely at night. No tanks are going to be rolling in from the south.

Greek businessmen, perhaps...Greek tanks?...never going to happen. The tanks are for the Turks and parades, not you guys.
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I agree, but then again European Union member states are not in the invasion business, so the people of Macedonia can sleep safely at night. No tanks are going to be rolling in from the south
It is just that the Macedonians are far less likely to invade than the European Union is. So I believe, in the spirit of compromise, that the Greeks should amend their constitution.
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It is just that the Macedonians are far less likely to invade than the European Union is. So I believe, in the spirit of compromise, that the Greeks should amend their constitution.
Perhaps we will consider it, but I think you should be asking Albania more so than Greece. We're not interested in invasions, only investments.
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Perhaps we will consider it, but I think you should be asking Albania more so than Greece. We're not interested in invasions, only investments.
I always enjoy how Greeks speak on behalf of their Governments.
But nevertheless, why was it asked from Macedonia? Clearly no threat ever existed.
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I always enjoy how Greeks speak on behalf of their Governments.
But nevertheless, why was it asked from Macedonia? Clearly no threat ever existed.
Well, you are always free to contact the Greek government if you want their views, but I think they will probably answer in the same fashion as I have.

As for why was it asked of Macedonia; I'm not sure. I think they also requested some modifications to your original constitution, but I have not had the opportunity to read the original Macedonian constitution to know what was changed.
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I was reading something recently about the Macedonian Christian Empire.

According to Vasil Bogov, the language of Christianity in south east Europe since about 323 AD has been Macedonian, not Greek.

Macedonia was a Church-State, and Empire.

The Church was responsible for running schools, education, law etc since about 323 AD in the Macedonian language, not Greek.

The traditional Macedonian names of MOST OF of the churches on Mt. Athos (Sveta Gora) remind us of their true Macedonian past, not Greek. The names "Hilander" and "Zagorov" first appeared in the late 19th century to represent "Serbian" and "Bulgarian" claims, but they have no history there before then.

The New Church (Greek Orthodox Church) was a political manifestation. In 1850 the Sultan created a "Greek Patriarch" to rule the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire. The New Church directly challenged the old Macedonian Christian Empire - the Greek Orthodox Church began burning and destroying all evidence that the langauge of Christianity and Empire over the last 1,700 years had been Macedonian.
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Well, Sveta Gora is now not much more than a money laundering pit ... but what were the names of the monasteries prior to the 19th century?
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I was reading something recently about the Macedonian Christian Empire.

According to Vasil Bogov, the language of Christianity in south east Europe since about 323 AD has been Macedonian, not Greek.

Macedonia was a Church-State, and Empire.

The Church was responsible for running schools, education, law etc since about 323 AD in the Macedonian language, not Greek.

The traditional Macedonian names of MOST OF of the churches on Mt. Athos (Sveta Gora) remind us of their true Macedonian past, not Greek. The names "Hilander" and "Zagorov" first appeared in the late 19th century to represent "Serbian" and "Bulgarian" claims, but they have no history there before then.

The New Church (Greek Orthodox Church) was a political manifestation. In 1850 the Sultan created a "Greek Patriarch" to rule the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire. The New Church directly challenged the old Macedonian Christian Empire - the Greek Orthodox Church began burning and destroying all evidence that the langauge of Christianity and Empire over the last 1,700 years had been Macedonian.
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Which Macedonian Christian Empire are you referring to? I have never heard of anything like this ever.
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According to Vasil Bogov, the language of Christianity in south East Europe from about 323 AD to 1913 AD was in Macedonian, not Greek.

That provides a strong enough basis for it being a Macedonian Christian Empire.

More importantly the Bible had been converted into a language Macedonians could understand - based on the Solun dialect - from Latin and possibly Koine. Remember Koine is not Greek. Furthermore, Cyrilic was based on the "secret Macedonian" Glagolitic.

So "Greek" has never been the language of Christianity in Macedonia.
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From the time of Constantine right up to 1913 and the destruction of Old Macedonian Christian papers, books and parchments by the New Church (Greek Orthodox) - the language of Christianity in south east Europe was in Macedonian, and the language of Empire was in Macedonian, not Greek. Think about this. The Greek language was only codified for the first time in the early 20th century.

Koine was not Greek.

So the language of Christianity in south East Europe from about 323 AD to 1913 AD was NEVER Greek.

It was Macedonian.

[whether it was in Glagolitic sometimes described as the "secret Macedonian" language or the more accessible Cyrilic which was based on the older Macedonian alphabet - the language of Christianity was always Macedonian.]

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Where did you read this? Or is this your own theory?
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