Shmuel Vaknin aka 'Sam' - The Liar - Page 20

Makedonska_Kafana · 09-08-2010, 06:59 PM

Samual Vaknin

Big Bad Sven · 09-09-2010, 02:12 AM

I agree with a lot of the points that Vankin makes, but obviously not all of them.

I agree with Sam that Greases demand on Macedonia to change its name and identity is all a smokescreen, that is really hiding more sinister and evil motives. But then again all sane and self-respecting Macedonians already knew this.
He makes a very good point when using the flag changing debacle, and how grease wanted more from Macedonia. As I have said many times on this forum, Macedonia has already made enough “concessions”. Its time for Grease to be reasonable and give something up (which it hasn’t).

I agree with Vankin that slowly we are winning the “name game”. Every year it seems like a country recognizes Macedonia. All Macedonia has to do is keep on improving and continue to forge strong ties internationally and it will win eventually. Right now the useless countries like Grease, Albania, Serbia or Bulgaria cant touch Macedonia. They can only win by doing the things that work in the past, infiltrate Macedonia and brainwash Macedonians into sell outs or self-haters that think they are doomed. Right now Macedonia/Macedonians are their own worst enemies. No one can force Macedonia to change its identity, only the Macedonians can do this. That’s why its important that Macedonians stay strong and not fall for cheap lies of prosperity and quick wealth of joining the EU.

I strongly agree with point 2, and had to have a bit of laugh when I read that point. The shiptars are THE “black and grey markets” in Macedonia. Every one knows this, but the PC brigade in the west wont allow people to state this or Macedonians to make this public. Have to give credit to vankin for stating this. But the puzzling thing here is that the shiptars are putting extreme pressure on Macedonia to do give up what ever it takes to join the wonderful and magical entity called the EU. Looks like the shiptar peasants are just as dumb and confused as the Macedonians and don’t realise what they loose when they get into the EU. Perhaps joining the EU would be a good thing as it would force shiptars to give up a life of crime and actually work for once, and if they still want the life of crime they could always move to Kosovo (hopefully).

I agree with most of point 3 as well. The EU doesn’t respect or want the remaining Balkan countries, and most importantly it doesn’t even respect Macedonian people, but we have all known this. I also agree that Macedonians are doing better living out of the EU then some countries living in the EU. Just look at all the grks coming to Macedonia to get cheaper foods and products. The ironic thing here is that if Macedonia was a EU member today, it would be forced to support its number one enemy grease both financially and economically. I would rather have Macedonian money spent in Macedonia thank you very much, not sent to a bunch of floggers that don’t even respect as equals.

Finally the sad truth Vankin states is that a lot Macedonians are still eager to sell out there souls to join the broke and corrupt EU. He is 100% correct in saying Macedonians are only thinking short term, and chasing the “quick money”. It has been a problem that has unfortunately affected Macedonians for last 100 years. Why cant Macedonians open their eyes and see the pathetic state of Grease, or that Bulgarians or Romanians are still leaving their countries in droves even after EU membership. The Croatians are the smart ones to realise the price of joining the EU is not worth it, when will the Macedonian people wake up?

zadan · 09-09-2010, 05:01 AM

vaknin has "secret" list and i am lurking with diferent name, he dont kno that i am geting al the mesages. few days ago he right that he had intervie with sonce tv and it was very friendly and with out censura and he atack makedonian mentality and caracter and say that makedonija has no elite, everyone is teski seljaci, that makedonians not redy to have own state (drzava) and are very primitive and that slavko mangovski tell him this is the trut. plus vaknin publish almos everyting in his twitter facebook friendfeed:

http://www.twitter.com/samvaknin

http://www.friendfeed.com/samvaknin

http://www.facebook.com/samvaknin

zadan · 09-09-2010, 05:02 AM

btw, these fotos of vaknin in prison are falsificated: izrael do not use latin script, only hebrew letters. also he is definatly more than 166 cm, i see him in lecture. no need to use falsificat against vaknin, he is enoug stupid to destry himself with own words.

zadan · 09-09-2010, 05:34 AM

http://www.mhrmi.org/news/2010/september02_e.asp

"Macedonains lack the skills, the knowledge, the emotional maturity, and the cultural background to have a state of their own, let alone a democracy. They have yet to develop a sense of being part of a cohesive collective. Their rampant individualism is malignant and they all perceive the state and any form of authority as potential and actual enemies."

also

"Macedonia is not ready for EU accession. For the time being, it is better off as it is."

zadan · 09-09-2010, 05:37 AM

you dont understan this guy, he want poewer and to be famos, not mony. he never take mony, not even from goverment. now he work 1 yer for ministerstvo za zdravstvo for no mony!!! just to be in the media.

Makedonska_Kafana · 09-09-2010, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zadan

btw, these fotos of vaknin in prison are falsificated: izrael do not use latin script, only hebrew letters. also he is definatly more than 166 cm, i see him in lecture. no need to use falsificat against vaknin, he is enoug stupid to destry himself with own words.

The prison photo is straight from CBC television so speak to the producers. (CBC logo bottom right)
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/i-psychopath/

zadan · 09-09-2010, 08:16 AM

why you react so agresive, makedonska kafana? i didnt do anyting bad to you.

i see the movi maybe ten times, but the fotos are fotoshop, not real. i see vaknin in realty. plus he was arest in 1990, not 1995, etc. this are falsificats. many information in the movi is complet bulshit (vaknin iq, that he was rich, have his own airoplane, and other gluposti).

Makedonska_Kafana · 09-09-2010, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zadan

why you react so agresive, makedonska kafana? i didnt do anyting bad to you.

i see the movi maybe ten times, but the fotos are fotoshop, not real. i see vaknin in realty. plus he was arest in 1990, not 1995, etc. this are falsificats. many information in the movi is complet bulshit (vaknin iq, that he was rich, have his own airoplane, and other gluposti).

My point is that they were used by CBC and I have no doubt that he's a criminal, they research first.

Rogi · 09-09-2010, 09:49 AM

I generally and most always quite vehemently disagree with what Sam Vaknin has to say, or write.

However, in many respects, I find it difficult to disagree with the above two quotes when considering the amateurish nature of Macedonian politics and Government, corruption and privatisation over the last 20 years and some of the despicable things that the Macedonians have brought upon themselves (Flag change, Interim Accord, Framework Agreement, modification of electoral boundaries to give the Albanian minority the balance of power, inability to recognise when an unattainable carrot is being dangled, etc) - I however disagree with the assessment that the Macedonians lack the cultural background to have a state of their own, I think that is an absurd statement in every aspect.

Though, I also particularly agree with the second quote, Macedonia is not ready for EU accession, in fact EU accession would make Macedonia so uncompetitive that it would destroy most industry and the entire agricultural sector.

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09-09-2010, 05:01 AM	#193
zadan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 47	my knolege vaknin has "secret" list and i am lurking with diferent name, he dont kno that i am geting al the mesages. few days ago he right that he had intervie with sonce tv and it was very friendly and with out censura and he atack makedonian mentality and caracter and say that makedonija has no elite, everyone is teski seljaci, that makedonians not redy to have own state (drzava) and are very primitive and that slavko mangovski tell him this is the trut. plus vaknin publish almos everyting in his twitter facebook friendfeed: http://www.twitter.com/samvaknin http://www.friendfeed.com/samvaknin http://www.facebook.com/samvaknin Last edited by zadan; 09-09-2010 at 05:35 AM. Reason: ad

09-09-2010, 05:02 AM	#194
zadan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 47	btw, these fotos of vaknin in prison are falsificated: izrael do not use latin script, only hebrew letters. also he is definatly more than 166 cm, i see him in lecture. no need to use falsificat against vaknin, he is enoug stupid to destry himself with own words. Last edited by zadan; 09-09-2010 at 05:32 AM. Reason: ad

09-09-2010, 05:34 AM	#195
zadan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 47	MHMRI publish anti-makedonian text http://www.mhrmi.org/news/2010/september02_e.asp "Macedonains lack the skills, the knowledge, the emotional maturity, and the cultural background to have a state of their own, let alone a democracy. They have yet to develop a sense of being part of a cohesive collective. Their rampant individualism is malignant and they all perceive the state and any form of authority as potential and actual enemies." also "Macedonia is not ready for EU accession. For the time being, it is better off as it is."

09-09-2010, 09:49 AM	#200
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,343	I generally and most always quite vehemently disagree with what Sam Vaknin has to say, or write. However, in many respects, I find it difficult to disagree with the above two quotes when considering the amateurish nature of Macedonian politics and Government, corruption and privatisation over the last 20 years and some of the despicable things that the Macedonians have brought upon themselves (Flag change, Interim Accord, Framework Agreement, modification of electoral boundaries to give the Albanian minority the balance of power, inability to recognise when an unattainable carrot is being dangled, etc) - I however disagree with the assessment that the Macedonians lack the cultural background to have a state of their own, I think that is an absurd statement in every aspect. Though, I also particularly agree with the second quote, Macedonia is not ready for EU accession, in fact EU accession would make Macedonia so uncompetitive that it would destroy most industry and the entire agricultural sector. Last edited by Rogi; 09-09-2010 at 09:54 AM.

09-08-2010, 06:59 PM	#191
Makedonska_Kafana Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada Posts: 2,642	Samual Vaknin

09-09-2010, 02:12 AM	#192
Big Bad Sven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,528	I agree with a lot of the points that Vankin makes, but obviously not all of them. I agree with Sam that Greases demand on Macedonia to change its name and identity is all a smokescreen, that is really hiding more sinister and evil motives. But then again all sane and self-respecting Macedonians already knew this. He makes a very good point when using the flag changing debacle, and how grease wanted more from Macedonia. As I have said many times on this forum, Macedonia has already made enough “concessions”. Its time for Grease to be reasonable and give something up (which it hasn’t). I agree with Vankin that slowly we are winning the “name game”. Every year it seems like a country recognizes Macedonia. All Macedonia has to do is keep on improving and continue to forge strong ties internationally and it will win eventually. Right now the useless countries like Grease, Albania, Serbia or Bulgaria cant touch Macedonia. They can only win by doing the things that work in the past, infiltrate Macedonia and brainwash Macedonians into sell outs or self-haters that think they are doomed. Right now Macedonia/Macedonians are their own worst enemies. No one can force Macedonia to change its identity, only the Macedonians can do this. That’s why its important that Macedonians stay strong and not fall for cheap lies of prosperity and quick wealth of joining the EU. I strongly agree with point 2, and had to have a bit of laugh when I read that point. The shiptars are THE “black and grey markets” in Macedonia. Every one knows this, but the PC brigade in the west wont allow people to state this or Macedonians to make this public. Have to give credit to vankin for stating this. But the puzzling thing here is that the shiptars are putting extreme pressure on Macedonia to do give up what ever it takes to join the wonderful and magical entity called the EU. Looks like the shiptar peasants are just as dumb and confused as the Macedonians and don’t realise what they loose when they get into the EU. Perhaps joining the EU would be a good thing as it would force shiptars to give up a life of crime and actually work for once, and if they still want the life of crime they could always move to Kosovo (hopefully). I agree with most of point 3 as well. The EU doesn’t respect or want the remaining Balkan countries, and most importantly it doesn’t even respect Macedonian people, but we have all known this. I also agree that Macedonians are doing better living out of the EU then some countries living in the EU. Just look at all the grks coming to Macedonia to get cheaper foods and products. The ironic thing here is that if Macedonia was a EU member today, it would be forced to support its number one enemy grease both financially and economically. I would rather have Macedonian money spent in Macedonia thank you very much, not sent to a bunch of floggers that don’t even respect as equals. Finally the sad truth Vankin states is that a lot Macedonians are still eager to sell out there souls to join the broke and corrupt EU. He is 100% correct in saying Macedonians are only thinking short term, and chasing the “quick money”. It has been a problem that has unfortunately affected Macedonians for last 100 years. Why cant Macedonians open their eyes and see the pathetic state of Grease, or that Bulgarians or Romanians are still leaving their countries in droves even after EU membership. The Croatians are the smart ones to realise the price of joining the EU is not worth it, when will the Macedonian people wake up?

09-09-2010, 05:37 AM	#196
zadan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 47	you dont understan this guy, he want poewer and to be famos, not mony. he never take mony, not even from goverment. now he work 1 yer for ministerstvo za zdravstvo for no mony!!! just to be in the media.

09-09-2010, 08:16 AM	#198
zadan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 47	why you react so agresive, makedonska kafana? i didnt do anyting bad to you. i see the movi maybe ten times, but the fotos are fotoshop, not real. i see vaknin in realty. plus he was arest in 1990, not 1995, etc. this are falsificats. many information in the movi is complet bulshit (vaknin iq, that he was rich, have his own airoplane, and other gluposti).

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