Shmuel Vaknin aka 'Sam' - The Liar - Page 12

Frank · 08-21-2010, 06:12 PM

Macedonains are so un prepared are they they have no idea what awaits them being a member in the EU

George S. · 08-22-2010, 03:10 AM

Well allready housing prices have gone up because everyone thinks of eu dollars.I think
macedonia's food prices are still attractive as a lot of people come over the border.Even albania's prices were cheaper when i was there a couple of years ago.

Buktop · 08-22-2010, 05:02 AM

So prices go up, we say thank god they arent in EU, but salaries stay the same outside of EU... So actual cost goes up, and expendable income goes down

julie · 08-22-2010, 06:14 AM

They cross the border from Lerin to Bitola to do their shopping and stock up with food, the citizens in the Republic have a mentality that once the Eu grants them golden entry, heaven will descend with riches upon them, even to the detriment of changing the Macedonian name. They dont realise the food prices will jump ten fold, and the heaven sent EU will cripple them to the point of starvation. The old man told me the last few months was there, the mentality is the EU are the golden saviours for RoM, may God help them.

Buktop · 08-22-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by julie

They cross the border from Lerin to Bitola to do their shopping and stock up with food, the citizens in the Republic have a mentality that once the Eu grants them golden entry, heaven will descend with riches upon them, even to the detriment of changing the Macedonian name. They dont realise the food prices will jump ten fold, and the heaven sent EU will cripple them to the point of starvation. The old man told me the last few months was there, the mentality is the EU are the golden saviours for RoM, may God help them.

Do you have exact numbers on how many actually cross the border for shopping?

Do you know what the cost of food is compared to the average salary in Macedonia currently?

I am by no means advocating EU as the savior of Macedonia, but I want people to have an acurate picture of the situation now, and the potential situation in the future.

julie · 08-22-2010, 06:35 AM

My old man has come back home from a very long holiday in RoM, he went over with my brother to show him our mothers birthplace in Dolno Kotori, he said prices were through the roof, went into the cafana for a drink and said 4 times as much for a drink then in RoM in Bitola. The people in the kafana, on hearing they are from Aus, apparently we stand out like sore thumbs stared at them both. "kako ste brakja" from dad and they started talking in Maco. He heard from them they cant afford to buy basic necessities in Aegean Macedonia, that they go over the border some 20 km away into Bitola and Tuesdays and Fridays in Bitola, dad said it is full from people over the border stocking up on food. I will ask him comparative prices, they were only there for the day so my brother would be able to see where his maternal bloodline is from

julie · 08-22-2010, 06:44 AM

Buktop, my old man BEFORE he left early May to go for his trip was crossing himself with the Holy Trinity on the wonders of the EU, with me trying to argue the point with him to no avail.
He has returned from Rom after almost 4 months away saying the EU will cripple RoM, Macedonia will lose its name for entry, and they will not be able to eat out at the local restaurant for the equivalent of $8 Aus with drinks, and 3 courses.
The citizens hava an apathy where the name negotiations are, they dont seem to be bothered as long as the saviour EU and NATO is there.
they dont understand the financila and severe economic ramifications of this, nor repaying Hellarses debt.
They are also angry with the diaspora, they say we should have no right to be involved with anything to do with Macedonia.
Dad argued the point with them, they say we should be sending money from our money trees here, they need to be up to date with every piece of technology and have anger , that we should be living in RoM if we consider ourselves Macedonian
The old man, God Bless him, said the diaspora have worked very hard to establish Macedonian communities throughout the world so that the culture and language would be maintained and we have eery right to have a say, he obtained a Macedonian passport whilst there and was incredibly proud, he is quite elderly.

RoM does not care for the diaspora nor care for assistance, so we need to work even harder to convince them that our identity is non negotiable, that if they think life is tough now, it is paradise compared to what will happen if EU and NATO are their crowning glory

George S. · 08-22-2010, 07:33 AM

I've just spoken to relative who runs a kitchen installation business in struga.They said due to the low prices they are getting heaps of interborder requests from neighbouring countries.Apparently it's like half price.

Risto the Great · 08-22-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by George S.

I've just spoken to relative who runs a kitchen installation business in struga.They said due to the low prices they are getting heaps of interborder requests from neighbouring countries.Apparently it's like half price.

That Is the point George. If Macedonia was in the EU, this would not happen. It is an excellent opportunity.

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08-22-2010, 05:02 AM	#113
Buktop Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 934	So prices go up, we say thank god they arent in EU, but salaries stay the same outside of EU... So actual cost goes up, and expendable income goes down __________________ "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that" Never once say you walk upon your final way though skies of steel obscure the blue of day. Our long awaited hour will draw near and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

08-22-2010, 06:14 AM	#114
julie Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: makedonska colonia Posts: 3,869	They cross the border from Lerin to Bitola to do their shopping and stock up with food, the citizens in the Republic have a mentality that once the Eu grants them golden entry, heaven will descend with riches upon them, even to the detriment of changing the Macedonian name. They dont realise the food prices will jump ten fold, and the heaven sent EU will cripple them to the point of starvation. The old man told me the last few months was there, the mentality is the EU are the golden saviours for RoM, may God help them. __________________ "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

08-22-2010, 06:35 AM	#116
julie Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: makedonska colonia Posts: 3,869	My old man has come back home from a very long holiday in RoM, he went over with my brother to show him our mothers birthplace in Dolno Kotori, he said prices were through the roof, went into the cafana for a drink and said 4 times as much for a drink then in RoM in Bitola. The people in the kafana, on hearing they are from Aus, apparently we stand out like sore thumbs stared at them both. "kako ste brakja" from dad and they started talking in Maco. He heard from them they cant afford to buy basic necessities in Aegean Macedonia, that they go over the border some 20 km away into Bitola and Tuesdays and Fridays in Bitola, dad said it is full from people over the border stocking up on food. I will ask him comparative prices, they were only there for the day so my brother would be able to see where his maternal bloodline is from __________________ "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

08-22-2010, 06:44 AM	#117
julie Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: makedonska colonia Posts: 3,869	Buktop, my old man BEFORE he left early May to go for his trip was crossing himself with the Holy Trinity on the wonders of the EU, with me trying to argue the point with him to no avail. He has returned from Rom after almost 4 months away saying the EU will cripple RoM, Macedonia will lose its name for entry, and they will not be able to eat out at the local restaurant for the equivalent of $8 Aus with drinks, and 3 courses. The citizens hava an apathy where the name negotiations are, they dont seem to be bothered as long as the saviour EU and NATO is there. they dont understand the financila and severe economic ramifications of this, nor repaying Hellarses debt. They are also angry with the diaspora, they say we should have no right to be involved with anything to do with Macedonia. Dad argued the point with them, they say we should be sending money from our money trees here, they need to be up to date with every piece of technology and have anger , that we should be living in RoM if we consider ourselves Macedonian The old man, God Bless him, said the diaspora have worked very hard to establish Macedonian communities throughout the world so that the culture and language would be maintained and we have eery right to have a say, he obtained a Macedonian passport whilst there and was incredibly proud, he is quite elderly. RoM does not care for the diaspora nor care for assistance, so we need to work even harder to convince them that our identity is non negotiable, that if they think life is tough now, it is paradise compared to what will happen if EU and NATO are their crowning glory __________________ "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

08-21-2010, 06:12 PM	#111
Frank Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 687	Macedonains are so un prepared are they they have no idea what awaits them being a member in the EU

08-22-2010, 03:10 AM	#112
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	Well allready housing prices have gone up because everyone thinks of eu dollars.I think macedonia's food prices are still attractive as a lot of people come over the border.Even albania's prices were cheaper when i was there a couple of years ago.

08-22-2010, 07:33 AM	#118
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	I've just spoken to relative who runs a kitchen installation business in struga.They said due to the low prices they are getting heaps of interborder requests from neighbouring countries.Apparently it's like half price.

09-02-2010, 02:50 AM	#120
zadan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 47	Greek-Macedonian Name Issue Myths Debunked Global Politician: Greek-Macedonian Name Issue Myths Debunked http://www.globalpolitician.com/2657...pute-albanians

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