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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    Slovenian position on Macedonia and Croatia



    Der Standard: Balkan borders the main problem

    The dispute between Slovenia and Croatia involving the border is no exception, it's a rule, the Vienna-based newspaper "Der Standard" comments Tuesday, noting that Zagreb is also in dispute with Serbia and Bosnia & Herzegovina due to territorial issues.

    - Hoping that the affected countries will find a solution on their own, Brussels thus far has put the border issues aside. Slovenia's veto on the resumption of the Croatian membership talks with EU has showed to the European diplomats that finding settlements over the border disputes is an European responsibility, reads the daily.

    According to "Der Standard". the Zagreb-Ljubljana row over about 150 km2 in the Bay of Piran is putting into question the entire EU plan for 2009.

    - The verbal war waged between the Slovenian and Croatian politicians is already causing serious consequences amongst the populations, says "Der Standard".

    The border dispute becomes even more complex, adds the daily, if over 145km along the border of Danube river are taken into consideration, which were previously considered as a natural border.

    The border in question in Croatian maps passes through Serbian villages, fields and in the middle of a hospital for children with disabilities.

    The newspaper stresses that the relations between Croatia and Serbia are tense due to the 1990s civil war and the unresolved issues regarding displaced persons.

    - Serbia worries that Croatia could use its EU membership to solve the disputes. In Belgrade no one believes that the statements of Croatia's PM Ivo Sanader are true when he says that Zagreb will not block Serbia's future talks with EU in any case, reads the newspaper.

    "Der Standard" also mentions that Croatia has territorial claims towards BiH regarding the property along the Una river.

    The newspaper comments that Serbia - which denies the independence of Kosovo - fails to recognise the border between Kosovo and Macedonia, because "the self-proclaimed government in Pristina has given part of Serbia's territory to Macedonia." //12.23.08
    This is a complete joke. The 'lucky' countries in the EU using a multi-national and continental based organ to further their own narrow agendas with regard to disputes against their neighbour(s).

    So the Slovenes, who it seems have taken a leaf out of Greece's Anti-Macedonian book, have hit the Croats with a Veto due to a personal dispute between the two states. Meanwhile, the Serbs are fearing Croatia's earlier entry into the EU will result in the same treatment the Croats are now receiving from the Slovenes. And that whore of an organisation which is misleadingly referred to as a European 'union' does nothing to halt such unfair injustices, preferring to close its eyes like the typical ignorant politician rather than initiating its tools and resources to take the lead and deal with the issue effectively.

    At the end we have the Serbs complaining that the Albanians of Kosovo have relinquished territory to the Macedonians as a part of the Macedonia-Kosovo border negotiations. When exactly did that take place and was it a contributing fact to Macedonia's recent recognition of Kosovo as an independent state?
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
  • fatso
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 301

    #2
    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/4858/1/

    Der Standard: Balkan borders the main problem


    This is a complete joke. The 'lucky' countries in the EU using a multi-national and continental based organ to further their own narrow agendas with regard to disputes against their neighbour(s).

    So the Slovenes, who it seems have taken a leaf out of Greece's Anti-Macedonian book, have hit the Croats with a Veto due to a personal dispute between the two states. Meanwhile, the Serbs are fearing Croatia's earlier entry into the EU will result in the same treatment the Croats are now receiving from the Slovene's. And that whore of an organisation which is misleadingly referred to as a European 'union' does nothing to halt such unfair injustices, preferring to close its eyes like the typical ignorant politician rather than initiating its tools and resources to take the lead and deal with the issue effectively.

    At the end we have the Serb's complaining that the Albanians of Kosovo have relinquished territory to the Macedonians as a part of the Macedonia-Kosovo border negotiations. When exactly did that take place and was it a contributing fact to Macedonia's recent recognition of Kosovo as an independent state?
    The EU has become a blackmail organization.

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    • Sarafot
      Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 616

      #3
      What a shame,Slo and Croa are in dispute about some houses near the border and lunatic named Joško Joras,who lives on the border,and when the things get silenced,he fired them up!Also Croats are not kitka za mirišanje,they want all of the sea,event whole Savudria was like ''opština''Piran ,back in Yuga.But blocking them for that,man they are even worse then Greeks!?
      Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
      - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #4
        Sarafot, what is the best solution for the border problems between Slovenia and Croatia in your opinion?

        Here is an article in relation to this issue and the recent Slovenian Veto:


        BRUSSELS, Belgium: France urged Slovenia and Croatia Friday to end a 17-year-old border dispute amid worries it could hamper Croatia's bid to join the EU.

        Slovenia on Friday used its veto power as an EU member to prevent the 27-nation bloc from speeding up membership negotiations with Croatia, apparently because of the border dispute.

        The dispute, which involves a dispute over sea rights and various smaller tussles over land borders, dates back to 1991, when the two nations seceded from the former Yugoslav federation.

        Bruno Le Maire, France's European affairs minister, urged Slovenia not to use the border dispute as an excuse to continue blocking entry talks with its Balkan neighbor.

        "This is a bilateral problem. It has to be solved bilaterally," said Le Maire after he led talks between the EU and Croatia. He added that the EU's credibility in the Balkans was at stake.

        Croatia's Foreign Minister Gordan Jandrokovic said his country will stick to a June deadline to make reforms to meet EU entry standards.

        The EU said in November that entry talks with Croatia could finish by the end of 2009 if Zagreb reforms its judiciary, tackles corruption and improves rights for minorities. Croatia started membership talks in 2005.
        So these French clowns from the EU have the audacity to urge Slovenia to solve a bilateral problem 'bilaterally', yet they encourage Macedonia to solve a bilateral problem with Greece internationally and at their manipulative request.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Jankovska
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1774

          #5
          The power of Veto, what a joke that power is When it comes to the Balkans the ones that are already in this little union are lucky and the rest don't stand a chance. A new union perhaps?

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15658

            #6
            Originally posted by Jankovska View Post
            A new union perhaps?
            Ummm, Newgoslavia?

            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • Sarafot
              Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 616

              #7
              Well SoM,Croats wanted arbitrasion about border,but Slovenes dont want that,they want negotiations,like VETO? Croats have old maps where is showen that all of Piran ''zalev'' belonge to Croatia,on other hand whole savudriska uvala and Umag belonged to Piran manipulacity in Jugoslavia.

              Acctualy bouth sides urged that borders must stay like it was on the day of independence,but there are persons who want more.Agreemant was alredy acceped few years ago with Drnovšek-Račan,but bouth of them are ded,and ich govermant make other confusions just not to accept that agreemant.

              The whole thing is about one man and croatian border on Sečovlje,Croats put countinier on the border in 1992 with excuse that they build a new object and they will move continier later,well they never did,and that is main problem,Croats should go 1000m back,but they dont.......
              Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
              - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

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              • Sarafot
                Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 616

                #8
                And about new Juga and Whole EU and Nato nonsence,take good listen to tis song!
                YouTube - MC Massacre - MAKEDONIJA ZASEKOGAS- FUCK GREECE
                Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
                - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13670

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sarafot View Post
                  Well SoM,Croats wanted arbitrasion about border,but Slovenes dont want that,they want negotiations,like VETO? Croats have old maps where is showen that all of Piran ''zalev'' belonge to Croatia,on other hand whole savudriska uvala and Umag belonged to Piran manipulacity in Jugoslavia.

                  Acctualy bouth sides urged that borders must stay like it was on the day of independence,but there are persons who want more.Agreemant was alredy acceped few years ago with Drnovšek-Račan,but bouth of them are ded,and ich govermant make other confusions just not to accept that agreemant.

                  The whole thing is about one man and croatian border on Sečovlje,Croats put countinier on the border in 1992 with excuse that they build a new object and they will move continier later,well they never did,and that is main problem,Croats should go 1000m back,but they dont.......
                  Thanks for the information Sarafot, amazing how 'Balkan' both Croatia and Slovenia can be

                  How do you think it will end? Do you think Slovenia will be as persistent as Greece is against Macedonia?
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Sarafot
                    Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 616

                    #10
                    No i dont thik so,probebly that is a result of gov.cehange,now red one are ruleing. I'ment peoples like on each other.
                    Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
                    - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

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                    • Demos
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 325

                      #11
                      What would be the point of joining any club if there were no "benefits"? Of course countries are going to use any political weapons they have to advance their interests and agenda.

                      I'm not sure why you guys are surprised about this. We live in a competitive world...

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                      • Sarafot
                        Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 616

                        #12
                        Yae jewish crap idea,traying to destroy our moral values.
                        Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
                        - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

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                        • slovenec zrinski
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 385

                          #13
                          The best solution for this would be international arbitration because these two countries have shown now for 16 years that they cannot solves this.

                          Its not only about Josko Joras. It is also about 4 villages that want to belong to Slovenia, that both countries claim.

                          In the time of Austria-Hungary the entire area of Primorska-Istria was one unit called Küstenland. It then became part of Italy. I think it wasn´t until the 50´s that the border between Croatia and Slovenia was finalized in this area. And now it is contested.

                          Croatia have border issues with Serbia as well. The island of Vukovarska Ada for example. Part of Croatia till the war 1991 and now still occupied by Serbian army and police. I don´t know which of the agreements are valid- Badinter Principle or "border in the middle of Dunava". But the land is owned by croatians that are not allowed to tend to their lands.

                          Slovenia was subject of italian veto when we applied for membership. That delayed Slovenians admission for four years. I suppose this is the way to go within the EU...

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                          • Jankovska
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1774

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                            Ummm, Newgoslavia?

                            Sure, I'll be the president. Communist by birth, communist forever, hehehe. Scared now?

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                            • Jankovska
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1774

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Demos View Post
                              What would be the point of joining any club if there were no "benefits"? Of course countries are going to use any political weapons they have to advance their interests and agenda.

                              I'm not sure why you guys are surprised about this. We live in a competitive world...

                              Yes but in the long run these countires would not benefit from this. For example Greece lives happy at the moment because the EU always runs in and gives them shit lots of money so they can support their currupted gov. Anyway many countires are like this. So if countries start doing this game playing and being to competitive no one will view that union as a powerful place because it's more like a school playground full with spoilt children. Than this union will not grow and if it doesn't no one benefits. Than the bigger country that put the union together start getting pissed off (UK, Italy, Ireland blah blah) and decide to leave the little union. They do and places like Greece, Bulgaria etc are bankrupt. See not so great. I am telling you I communisam is the only way forward, bratstvo i ednistvo.

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