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    The Pelasgians

    The Pelasgians

    According to

    Dr. Petar Popovski



    Real history of the Macedonian people
    By macedonancientmacedonia

    February 16, 2009

    Translated and edited by Risto Stefov

    December 16, 2012







    Q. Dr. Popovski, you will soon be releasing a new study of Macedonia’s history under your name. What kind of study is it?



    POPOVSKI: Over the next month or so I will be releasing another of my research papers entitled “Stolen History”. In it I will reveal documented facts about the Greek appropriation of ancient Macedonian history, culture and civilization. While studying the subject I discovered many attempts carried out by the Greek government and by the educational system to prove that the ancient Macedonians were the same people as the so-called ancient Greeks. In recent years, Greek science has issued hundreds of volumes of books in various languages, which attempt to prove that Macedonia has always been Greek and that the inhabitants of ancient Macedonia were nothing other than Greeks, and that modern Macedonians were invented and came from behind the Carpathian Mountains.



    In the past, Macedonian science did nothing to counter this propaganda because the scientific institutions in the Republic of Macedonia were completely alienated. They more or less worked on the “grandness” of Macedonian historical figures and events, rather than defending the truth about Macedonia. My latest study is based on strong evidence in which arguments are backed with facts and the unfounded allegations of Greek science are rejected outright in favour of the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonians.



    Q. Does the Greek claim that the ancient Macedonians had a Greek character have any validity? To what kind of knowledge did your research lead you with regards to this issue?



    POPOVSKI: Claims made by Greek Science are a great illusion and delusion. Namely, there is no narrative or any kind of testimony that factually backs modern Greek claims. There are none. There is no author who identifies these two entities as being one and the same. And not only during that period but also the authors of modern times, whose works rely on ancient sources. Historical science long ago proved that the first inhabitants of the Balkans were the Pelasgians and not the so-called “Hellenes”, as claimed by Greek science.



    World Science defines and treats the Pelasgians as a Proto-Slavic entity i.e. as the ancestors of the modern Slavs. The Pelasgians were the first people to inhabit the coastal areas and islands of the southernmost part of the Balkan territories, which today are inhabited by Greeks such as today’s Morea, Attica, Piraeus, Peloponnesus and Epirus.



    So we are not talking about Hellenes or Greeks here, we are talking about pre-Slav or Proto-Slav elements that bore the name Pelasgians. The word “Pelasgians” itself in ancient Macedonian means “whites”. This is also what the so-called Greeks called them. The real history of the Macedonian people can be found in the “Iliad”, the oldest narrative source of information put together by Homer, the prehistoric Macedonian poet, which dates back to the IX century BC.



    Documented in this narrative are many of the prehistoric Macedonian tribes that lived in the region and there is absolutely no mention of Hellenes or Greeks because they simply did not exist. This means that at that time they were not present in the Balkans. So how could the character of the ancient Macedonians be Hellenic when the so-called Hellenes did not even exist? Obviously, it is not! This is another modern Greek myth!



    This Greek claim has been refuted by several prominent authors. Because of this false Greek claim the world has been misled to believe the Greek illusion and misconception that the Greeks were the oldest inhabitants in the Balkans and that life on our planet reportedly began with them and that they gave the world literacy, culture etc., which is simply not true.



    Such claims have also been refuted by many ancient authors who are my crown witnesses and whose records I have quoted in my study.



    Even Herodotus, their own “Hellenic” author and so-called “father of history”, who lived in the V century BC, wrote that the Hellenes, i.e. the ancient Greeks in the Balkans, came from Egypt and that they were Arabs. He wrote that all nations who did not speak the “Hellenic” language, with the exception of the Egyptians, were barbarians. He also wrote that the Pelasgians, i.e. the prehistoric Macedonians, lived in the Morea Region and in the Peloponnesus and that they were native to those regions.



    For example, every third resident in Greece today bears a surname with the root “Kara”, which in Arabic means black; Karamanlis, Karadzhaferis, Karanikos, Kararalis, Karagatsis, Karageorgios etc.



    Herodotus also wrote: “Several centuries before the arrival of the Hellenes in the Balkans, the Pelasgians in Athens built the Necropolis and the city’s fortress and then when the Hellenes arrived they dispossessed the indigenous Pelasgians of the city.”



    As we can see the facts do not support the big Greek fake claims. Given that Herodotus, Plato and other ancient Hellenic authors had no reason to lie, they wrote what they observed which clearly does not correspond to the romantic history of Greek science. And for this, they have been declared non-Greeks, who “lost their patriotism and spirit”. This is also the case with Demosthenes, the Athenian orator who earlier was deemed to be a non-Greek because he accused Philip II of not being a Greek.



    In one of his speeches Demosthenes said: “Philip was not Greek, nor related to Greeks but comes from Macedonia where a person could not even buy a decent slave.” So we need to ask ourselves: “How and why did Philip II and Alexander III, Macedonians, suddenly become Hellenes i.e. Greeks?”



    Q. So you are talking about two different people; the white Pelasgians and the black Arabs?



    POPOVSKI: Exactly. That very fact, which is pointed out by hundreds of authors from ancient times and modern times, proves that the ancient Macedonians, descendants of the Pelasgians, belonged to the Northern European Aryan people, and the Hellenic Greeks belonged to a black Southern Arab people. Vaigal, a famous German ethnologist and anthropologist, points to this fact in a very pliable way. He wrote: “The real Macedonians were blonde-haired, blue-eyed and had a whiter complexion than most average Greeks. The Macedonians definitely had northern blood. The Greeks could not understand the Macedonian language because it had no resemblance to theirs.” Given the above, being at extreme opposite sides of the tree of people, how can these two individual groups of people belong to the same group?



    If the so-called ancient “Greeks” were the same people as the ancient Macedonians, why did they not use the sixteen ray Macedonian star symbol? More precisely why did the modern Greeks steal the flag of Bavaria instead of adopting the sixteen ray Macedonian star symbol?

    One has to ask: “Did they even know that the star symbol existed?”



    Another thing, if the Macedonians were Greek then why did Greece in 1926 change all the toponyms in Greek occupied Macedonia from Macedonian to Greek? Were these not Greek names established by the ancient Macedonians? If the Macedonians are Greeks, like modern Greeks claim, then shouldn’t their descendants also be Greek?



    One need only use facts and logic, such as the above, to poke holes and debunk big Greek illusions and misconceptions. I would also like to add that the entire toponymia found in modern Greece is Macedonian from ancient Macedonia. There is no explanation or meaning in “Greek etymology” for the 40,000 or so place names which Greece inherited when it became a country for the first time in 1929. All those names however can be explained by use of the Macedonian language, which makes them Macedonian!



    Q. Can you clarify who were the real ancient Macedonians?



    POPOVSKI: Of course. But first a small clarification; in the tree of people the Pelasgians were split into the Anti, the Veneti and the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians were the ones credited with inventing the alphabet known as “lines and marks”.



    The root of the word Phoenicians – FOEN in ancient Macedonian means - voice, character, letter.



    All these historic and pre-historic tribal groups today are defined as ancient Macedonians by science, named after the Macedonian territory they occupied. The name Macedonia extends back to 5862 BC, mentioned on an artefact found from that time. The artefact was found at the Gradesnitsa archaeological site. On the artefact, which today is found in Bulgaria, are written the words “Zet Pir Makedonski”.



    In that period, states were called Zets and so were their leaders. Accordingly, based on evidence available to Macedonian science, the presence of the Anti, Veneti and Phoenicians in the Balkans date back between the 13th and the 11th millennium BC. These people became known as ancient Macedonians between the third and first millennium BC. As for the so-called Greeks, they arrived in the Balkans between the VIII and VI century BC, which means they arrived ten to twelve millennia later than the ancient Macedonians.



    Now tell me, how can there be any possible genetic link between these two entities? In any case, in time, a dozen new tribal branches developed from the Anti and the Veneti including the: Scythians, Misians, Brigians, Frigians, Mionians, Pelagonians, Moskovians, Russians, Thracians, Illyrians, Dardanians, Triballians etc. These are all now defined as Slavs by Science.



    Q. You mentioned the Phoenician or prehistoric-Macedonian alphabet. Do you know when it was first introduced?



    POPOVSKI: At the moment it is not possible for me to answer that question. The “lines and marks” which were almost identical and evolved into the Cyrillic alphabet appeared on Macedonian soil between the 13th and 11th millennium BC. However, twenty years ago those same “lines and marks” were found written on tiles in a French cave in Mas de Azil. French archaeologists estimate the writing to be from the 25th millennia BC. The data we obtained that led us to our conclusion in Macedonia may have come from a much younger artefact. We will continue to look for more artefacts, which we expect will give us an earlier date on the age of the alphabet in Macedonia because we believe the alphabet originated in this part of the world, maybe even inside Macedonia.



    Here is one more fact. Many authors also believe in the idea that the Latin alphabet was derived from the same “lines and marks” introduced by the Phoenicians. This could mean that the pre-historic Macedonians, besides giving Europe her name, could have also given her the alphabet, ancient culture and all sorts of other cultural values. Unfortunately some quasi historians today attribute all that to an artificial empire called “Hellas”.



    In this context I would like to point out that Herodotus, in several places in his “History”, has unequivocally stated that his people, the so-called “Hellenes”, took their alphabet, as well as many other cultural values, from the Pelasgians! And today we have people trumpeting that it was the “Hellenes” or so-called “ancient Greeks” who gave Europe and the world their civilization!



    Q. In the most recent Greek history there are claims that the Macedonian kings Philip II and his son Alexander III of Macedon were Greeks who spread the Greek language. Is there any truth to this?



    POPOVSKI: Absolutely not! Claims such as these have been refuted by several so-called “Hellenic” authors including Plato and Plutarch. There are many ancient sources which explain that both Macedonian giants (Philip II and his son Alexander III) hated the Hellenes and their language because the Hellenes were a wild bunch of tribes who, when they came to the Balkans, knew neither their names nor their origin.



    On one occasion Philip II described the Hellenes as follows: “…They are not a people, they are but a naked admixture of individuals, geniuses and slaves.” Undoubtedly they are philosophical thinkers; which explains a lot of things.



    The name “Hellenes” was acquired from the southern most Pelasgian coastal town named “Helea”, which in ancient Macedonian meant “Sunny”. The first deity of the Veneti was the sun, which they called “Helei”. The Phoenicians called the sun “Ilii”. The Anti called it “Sol”, a name which later was adopted by the Anglo-Saxons.



    It was the ancient Macedonians who also gave the “Hellenes” the name “Greeks”. When these people arrived in what we today call Morea, they were called Grei i.e. Greiki, which in ancient Macedonian means “new arrivals”, “strangers”.



    In ancient times and later during the new era, the Hellenes did not constitute any ethnic whole. They were city-states, known as polis. From what we know about them, from the time of Alexander I of Macedon (498-454 BC) to Perseus (179-168 BC), the last Macedonian king, the Hellenic city-states were under constant Macedonian colonial rule.



    We can confirm this from the words written on Demosthenes’s monument in Athens, which says: “If only your strength had been equal, Demosthenes, to your wisdom Never would Greece have been ruled by a Macedonian Ares.”



    For ignoring colonial rule, Philip II destroyed three Hellenic cities. His son Alexander III of Macedon destroyed two cities – he demolished Thebes and enslaved Athens.



    Given the limited space available we will summarize only a few incidents of Alexander III becoming impatient and showing aversion to the Hellenes and their language.



    In 324 BC a bunch of Hellene merchants were having a celebration near Pella. Alexander and his friends sat under an overhang at a long fruit table. Watching the Hellene merchants Alexander made a remark: “Don’t you think gentlemen that the Hellenes behave like little gods in front of the Macedonians!?”



    There was also the time when Cleitus spoke up and addressed his colleagues with the words: “Gentlemen, if you don’t yourselves wish to wear the long Persian dress and wide scarf around your neck then don’t talk like that about our guests who do?” At that moment Alexander became very angry, grabbed an apple from the table and hit Cleitus on the forehead, and then addressed him with the words: “You scoundrel what makes you think that you can talk like that about us Macedonians whenever you feel like it and pit us against one another!”



    That’s when Alexander called on his personal security guards. The armed soldiers, who stood at the end of the wall, immediately ran to him. Alexander then took a spear from the first soldier and drove it straight through Cleitus’s heart. This information was left to us by Plutarch.



    During my research I discovered many such examples which prove Alexander’s dislike for the Hellenes.



    Q. Some time ago the Greek government announced that it wanted to erect a number of monuments in Asia, at the various places where Alexander led major battles, and dedicate them to Alexander III of Macedon. What do you think of that project?



    POPOVSKI: What can I say? Can there be a more absurd and anti-Greek act than that? I am saying absurd because the Greeks are thinking of building a monument for a person and an army, such is the case of Alexander III and his Macedonian army, which between 338 and 334 BC destroyed three Hellenic (Greek) cities: Chaeronea, Thebes and Athens and during the Persian Wars slaughtered thousands of Hellenic (Greek) soldiers. Is this any way to honour your ancestors? It is not only absurd and anti-Greek, it’s bizarre and laughable!



    In this context I would like to say that in all of Alexander III’s battles in Asia, there were by far more Hellenes (Greeks) participating on the side of the Persians, led by the Great King Darius III, than there were in Alexander’s army. About one-third of the Great King’s total army came from the Greek camp and fought against the Macedonians. In the Battle of the River Granicus alone, the Macedonian army slaughtered about 28,000 Hellenic (Greek) soldiers. The battles at the rivers, Issus, Pinarus and Gaugamela were even more devastating for the Hellenes who were fighting for the Persians.



    So we need to ask ourselves: “In whose honour will the Greek state be building these monuments of Alexander III the Macedonian in Asia?” Now do you see how bizarre this is?



    After the world learns the truth about Macedonia, Alexander the Great and so on, and that time is not far, this nonsensical Greek “project” will become the subject of unprecedented ridicule. It may even enter the Guinness world book of records as the first case in human history where a civilization built and dedicated monuments to its enemies.



    That, as John Chadwick a famous English academic said, is done consciously and persistently because of the rich history that should be inherited and which only the ancient Macedonians possessed.



    Q. In conclusion what would you say about your latest study on Macedonia?



    POPOVSKI: I want to say to all the Macedonian people, wherever they may live, to be proud of who they are and of their rich history.



    The truth is on the Macedonian side. It is by no accident and not without reason that the Greek government is trying, with all his might, to destroy the Macedonian identity and to rob the Macedonian people of their rich inheritance. Greece is doing this in plain view and is enjoying a lot of support from the Anglo-Saxons and their allies.



    In our nation there is a belief that the modern Macedonians have no relation to the ancient Macedonians and that we came from behind the Carpathian Mountains. This should be erased from our memory.



    This theory, that we came from behind the Carpathian Mountains, was invented and launched by the Anglo-Saxons and their allies in order to suppress Macedonian national thought and to lift the Hellenic idea. Most unfortunate about this is that they are still doing it to this day. No writer in the period from the end of the VI to the beginning of the VII century ever mentioned that we came from behind the Carpathian Mountains. This is pure 19th century fantasy!



    It is a notorious lie and a fabrication. The Macedonian people have lived in Macedonia since prehistoric times. Macedonia was, is and will be the home of the Macedonian people and the birthplace of all Slavic peoples. All these people come from the Balkans, from Macedonia!



    There is strong confirmation of this fact on the monument “Chronicles of Moscow” from the VIII century, which today is kept in the central library in Moscow. Written on it are the words: “We, the Russians – the Moskovites are descendants of the ancient Macedonians. We speak the language of the ancient Macedonians.” From this we have testimony that confirms the Macedonian character of the Slavic peoples.



    Many Russian and Polish authors have done investigative work behind the Carpathian Mountains and they all came to the conclusion that these swamps are incapable of sustaining life, never mind produce enough life to dominate Eastern Europe. They also came to the conclusion that the “Carpathian Story” is an invention of Western historiography.



    The same historiography invented the terms: ancient Greece, ancient Greek, Hellada, Hellenic culture and Hellenism. These and terms like them simply do not exist in sources before the XIX century!



    The only terms that existed were “Macedonia” and “Macedonian” as a civilization and as a culture in history, the rest was invented! The Macedonian people need to know that there is only one truth - that there is a strong genetic link between the ancient and modern Macedonians. And that is the truth!



    Proof of that truth can be found in the writing, language, in personal names, in surnames, in the toponomy and in many other features. As evidence I have seen and inspected more than 250 inscriptions on tombstones from the prehistoric period, about which I have written in my study.



    I have uncovered more that 3,000 words from these monuments which now belong to the ancient Macedonian dictionary. These by the way, are similar and if not the same words found today in the modern Macedonian dictionary. This is irrefutable evidence before which even the gods will remain silent. In a few words, this is the Macedonian people’s real history, which will debunk the fake history written about us as well as all big Greek and Western illusions, delusions and artificial constructs!



    In the last three years Dr. Petar Popovski has published several extensive studies. Among them are the two volumes which have shed light on a very dark period in the history of the Macedonian people under the subjects: “Georgia Kastriot - Iskender king of Epirus and Macedonia and the Second Alexander”, the “Miaks descendants of the ancient Macedonians and ancient inhabitants of Matia, today’s Albania”, “The bloody dossier” and “Macedonian medieval ecclesiastical diplomacy.”



    Dr. Petar Popovski is now working on another two volume study which he calls “Stolen History” due to be released soon.



    Mileva LAZOVA-Macedonian SUN







    Пелазгите

    според

    Петар Поповски





    Д-Р ПЕТАР ПОПОВСКИ ЗА ВИСТИНСКАТА

    ИСТОРИЈА НА МАКЕДОНСКИОТ НАРОД



    By macedonancientmacedonia. Monday, February 16, 2009 2:10:42 AM


    Д-р Поповски, наскоро ќе се појави нова студија за историјата на Македонија потпишана од Вас. За каква студија станува збор?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Во текот на идниот месец ќе биде издадена уште една моја студија под наслов "Украдена историја" - документирани факти за грчкото присвојување на древномакедонската историја, култура и цивилизација. Повод за подготвување на една ваква студија ми даде се поголемата пропаганда која грчката Влада и наука ја спроведува во светот, настојувајќи да докаже дека античките Македонци биле исто што и Хелените. Последниве години грчката наука издаде стотици томови книги на разни странски јазици, со кои прави обид да докаже дека Македонија отсекогаш била грчка и дека жителите на древна Македонија не биле ништо друго освен Грци, а дека современите Македонци се измислени, дојдени од зад Карпатите.



    Во изминатиот период македонската наука не направи ништо да й се спротивстави на таа пропаганда, бидејќи научните институции во Република Македонија целосно се отуѓени. Тие повеќе работат на распродажбата на македонските историски личности и настани, отколку за одбрана на вистината за Македонија. Мојата најнова студија се темели врз силен доказен материјал, во која со аргументи и со факти се оспоруваат и се отфрлаат како неосновани сите тврдења на грчката наука во поглед на вистината за Македонија и Македонците.



    Дали тоа што го тврдат Грците за грчкиот карактер на древните Македонци има некаква основа. До какви сознанија дојдовте при Вашите истражувања во однос на тоа прашање?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Тоа што го тврди грчката наука е голема илузија и заблуда. Имено, не постои наративно и какво и да е друго сведоштво што го потврдува тој факт. Такво нешто нема. Нема автор кој ги поистоветува тие два ентитета. И не само од тој период, туку и од автори од поново време, чии дела се потпираат на антички извори. Историската наука одамна докажа дека првите жители на балканските простори биле Пелазгите, а не Хелените, како што тврди грчката наука.



    Светската наука ги дефинира и ги третира Пелазгите како Прото-Словени т.е. како предци на првите Словени. Тие први жители, во прво време, ги населувале приморските делови и островите на најјужниот дел од Балканот, просторите кои денес ги населуваат Грците, денешна Мореја, Атика, Пиреја, Пелопонез и Епир.



    Значи, не станува збор за Хелени, за Грци, туку за прасловенски елемент кој го носел името Пелазги. Самиот збор Пелазги на древномакедонски значи Белци.

    Така се нарекувани и од страна на Грците. Во најстариот наративен извор "Илијада" од македонскиот поет Хомер, која потекнува од ИX век пр.н.е., претставува вистинска историја на македонскиот народ.



    Во тој наративен документ, во кој се регистрирани само и исклучително древномакедонски племиња - Хелените ги нема, едноставно не постојат, што значи дека во тој период тие не биле присутни на Балканот, со што се демантира тврдењето за, наводниот, хеленски карактер на древните Антички Македонци.



    Тоа го демантираат неколкумина видни автори. Според тоа, во заблуда е светот кога им верува на грчките небулози и заблуди, кога се тврди дека тие, Грците, биле најстари жители на Балканот и дека, наводно, со нив почнал животот на нашата планета, дека на светот му дале писменост, култура итн. Тоа не е вистина.



    Таквите тврдења се демантирани од мноштво антички автори, чии записи, како крунско сведоштво, се цитирани во мојата студија.



    Самиот хеленски автор Херодот, од своите со племеници наречен "татко на историјата", кој живеел во В век пр.н.е., запишал дека Хелените т.е. Грците на Балканот дошле од Египет, како Арапи, дека сите народи кои не го зборувале хеленскиот јазик, освен Египтјаните, биле барбари, и дека во областа Мореја и на Пелопонез ги затекнале Пелазгите т.е. древните Македонци, како староседелци.



    На пример, секое трето презиме на жителите во Грција денес го носи коренот Кара, што на арапски значи црн, како Караманлис, Караџафери, Караникос, Караралис, Карагацис итн.



    Понатаму Херодот вели: "Пелазгите неколку века пред доаѓањето на Хелените на Балканот ги изградиле Атина, Некрополот и градската тврдина, а потоа кога Хелените се зацврснале, ги изгониле домородните Пелазги од градот".



    Како што гледаме, факти со кои се демантираат сите големогрчки тврдења и фалсификати. Со оглед на тоа што Херодот, Платон и другите древни хеленски автори ја кажуваат вистината, која не соодветствува со романтичарската историја на грчката наука, тие веќе се прогласуваат за негрци, за кои се вели дека "го изгубиле патриотското чувство и духот", како што многу порано беше прогласен за негрк и атинскиот говорник Демостен, поради тоа што го отуѓил Филип ИИ Македонски од грчката историја.

    Во еден од своите говори Демостен кажал: "Филип не само што не е Хелен, туку тој нема ништо хеленско во него. Тој е чума македонска". Се прашуваме, од каде сега Филип ИИ и Александар ИИИ Македонски наеднаш станаа Хелени?



    Значи, според Вас, станува збор за две раси, за бела - пелазгиска и за црна - арапска раса?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Токму така. Самиот тој факт, кој е дефиниран од стотици автори од античкиот период и од поново време, се докажува дека древните Македонци, како потомци од Пелазгите, й припаѓале на северната европска ариевска раса, а Хелените-Грците - на јужната арапска црна раса. Познатиот германски етнолог и антрополог Вајгал, на многу пластичен начин го објаснува тој факт.



    Тој запишал: "Вистинските Македонци биле со светла коса, сини очи и имале побел тен од просечниот Грк. Тие имале северна крв. Грците не можеле да го разберат македонскиот јазик, кој речиси немал никаква сличност со нивниот".



    Според тоа, како е можно тие две крајно спротивни раси да потекнуваат од едно исто родовско стебло?



    Ако Хелените-Грците биле исто што и Античките Македонци, зошто тогаш не се нарекле Македонци и за свој симбол не го зеле шестнаесетзрачното сонце, туку го украле знамето на Баварија?



    И уште нешто, зашто во 1926 година ги сменија сите топоними во окупирана Беломорска Македонија, востановени од Античките Македонци, кога себеси се сметаат за нивни потомци?



    Несомнено, факти со кои се демантираат големогрчките илузии и заблуди. Во овој контекст би сакал да додадам дека целата топонимија во современа Грција е древно македонска, за која грчката наука нема своја етимологија, свое толкување за нивното значење, зашто етимологијата на сите тие 40.000 топоними, наследени од нив, се чисто македонски.



    Дали можете да ни појасните кои биле вистинските Антички Македонци?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Се разбира. На почеток само едно мало појаснување. Имено, од родовското стебло на Пелазгите во прво време се одделиле: Антите, Венетите и Феникијците. Последните името го добиле по тоа што го измислиле писмото, познато под името цртици и рески.


    Коренот на зборот Феникијци -ФЕН на древномакедонски значи - глас, знак, буква.



    Сите тие племенски групи во историската наука денес се дефинирани како древни Македонци, по името на територијата која ја населувале. Не без причина, зашто постои релевантен артефакт од 5862 година пр.н.е., на кој се спомнува името Македонија. На тој артефакт, најден во археолошкиот локалитет Градешница, денес во Бугарија, е напишано: "Зет Пир Македонски".



    Во тој период државите биле нарекувани зетовии, а нивните челници - зетови.

    Според тоа, врз основа на постојниот доказен материјал, со кој располага македонската наука, присуството на Антите, Венетите и Феникијците т.е. на древните Македонци, кои меѓу третиот и првиот милениум пр.н.е. биле наречени Антички Македонци, на балканските простори датира меѓу 13 и 11 милениум пр.н.е.

    Што се однесува, пак, до Грците, на Балканот тие се јавуваат дури во периодот меѓу ВИИИ и ВИ век пр.н.е., што значи десет до дванаесет милениуми подоцна од Античките Македонци.



    И како тогаш е можно да постои некаква генетска врска меѓу тие два ентитета. Во никој случај. Подоцна, од Антите и Венетите се развиле уште десеттина други племенски гранки: Скити, Мизи, Бриги, Фриги, Миони, Пелагонци, Московити, Руси, Траки, Илири, Дарданци и Трибали. Во егзактната наука сите тие се дефинирани како Словени.



    Го спомнавте древномакедонското феникијско писмо. Дали се знае кога настанало?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Засега не е можно да се одговори на тоа прашање. Имено, на македонска почва цртиците и реските, кои се речиси идентични со нашата современа кирилска азбука, се посведочени меѓу 13 и 11 милениум пр .н.е.



    Меѓутоа, пред дваесет години, тоа исто писмо, цртици и рески, е посведочено во Франција, на плочки најдени во пештерата Мас де Азил. Француските археолози проценуваат дека писмото на тие плочки е старо 25 милениуми пр.н.е.

    Самиот тој податок не упатува на заклучокот дека македонската почва, каде што е создадено тоа писмо, во себе крие артефакти, кои се очекува да ни дадат нови податоци за староста на тоа писмо.



    И уште еден податок. Мноштво автори цврсто стојат на становиште дека врз основа на цртиците и реските е создадена латиницата. Тоа значи дека древните Антички Македонци на нашиот европски континент, освен името Европа, му го дарувале писмото, древната култура и сите други цивилизациски вредности, кои некои квази историчари денес й ги припишуваат на вештачката државна творба наречена Елас.



    Во овој контекст би сакал да истакнам дека Херодот, на неколку места во својата "Историја", недвосмислено кажува дека неговите соплеменици "Хелените писмото го презеле од Пелазгите и многу други цивилизациски вредности", а денес на сиот глас се труби дека токму тие, Хелените, ги описмениле Европа и светот.



    Во најновите грчки истории македонските цареви Филип ИИ и неговиот син Александар ИИИ Македонски се третирани како Грци, за кои се вели дека го ширеле грчкиот јазик. Дали во тоа има некаква вистина?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Апсолутно не, во никој случај. Таквите тврдења се демантирани од неколкумина хеленски автори, меѓу кои од Платон и Плутарх. Во мноштво наративни извори се кажува дека и двајцата македонски великани ги мразеле Хелените и нивниот јазик, затоа што Хелените биле диво, агресивно племе кое, кога дошло на Балканот, не го знаело ниту своето име, ниту своето потекло.



    Во една пригода Филип ИИ вака ги опишал Хелените: "...Тие и не се некој народ, туку разголена смеса од единки, од гении и робови". Несомнено, филозофска мисла која многу кажува.



    Името Хелени го добиле по името на најјужното приморско пелазгиско гратче Хелеа, што на древномакедонски значи Сончево. Имено, Венетите своето прво божество - Сонцето го викале Хелеј, Феникијците - Илиј, а Антите - Сол, кое подоцна било прифатено и од Англо-саксонците.



    Древно Македонците на Хелените им го дале и името Грци. Имено, кога дошле во денешна Мореја биле наречени Греи т.е. Греки, што на древномакедонски значи дојденци, туѓинци.



    Во античкиот период и подоцна, во периодот на новата ера, Хелените не претставувале никаква етничка целина. Тоа биле градови-државички, познати под името полиси. Откако се знае за нив, од времето на Александар И Македонски (498-454 г.пр.н.е.), до последниот македонски цар - Персеј (179-168 г.пр.н.е.), хеленските градови-државички биле под постојана македонска колонијална власт.



    Тоа беше потврдено на споменикот на Демостен во Атина, на кој до неодамна стоеше напишано: "Демостене, ако твојата сила беше голема како и твојата мудрост, Хелените никогаш не ќе беа управувани од Македонците!"



    Филип ИИ, поради хеленското игнорирање на колонијалната власт, разорил три хеленски града, а неговиот син Александар ИИИ Македонски - два града - Теба и Атина.

    Со оглед на ограничениот простор ќе изнесам само еден случај, со кој Александар ИИИ ја изразил својата аверзија и нетрпеливост кон Хелените и нивниот јазик.

    Имено, во 324 г.пр.н.е. во близина на Пела се одржувала некоја прослава на која учествувале и некои трговци Хелени.



    Под една настрешница, крај долга маса со овошје, седел Александар со своите бољари.

    Во една пригода им се обратил со зборовите:

    "Не ви се чини ли господа дека Хелените меѓу Македонците се однесуваат како мали богови!?"



    Тогаш се огласил неговиот најблизок соработник Клит. Тој му се обратил со зборовите: "Господару, ако на себе носите долг персиски фустан и широк персиски шал околу вратот, не значи дека така треба да зборувате за нашите гости?"

    Во тој момент Александар пламнал од лутина.

    Зел едно јаболко од масата и му го удрил на Клит од челото, по што му се обратил со зборовите:



    "Ти скоту еден, секогаш кога ќе ти се посака можеш да зборуваш против нас, Македонците, и да ги бунтуваш едни против други!"

    Тогаш го повикал своето лично обезбедување. Вооружените војници, кои стоеле крај ѕидот, веднаш дотрчале до својот господар.

    Александар го зел копјето од првиот војник и му го забил на Клит право в срце.



    Тоа буквално го пишува Плутарх.



    Во мојата студија има многу вакви примери, со кои се демантира наводната наклонетост на Александар кон Хелените.



    Неодамна грчката Влада најави изградба на споменици и спомен-обележја во Азија, на местата каде што се водени големите битки, посветени на Александар ИИИ Македонски. Како Вие гледате на таквите проекти?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Како гледам? Своевиден апсурд и антигрчки акт. Велам апсурд, зашто да се градат споменици на личности и на војски, во конкретниов случај на Александар ИИИ и на македонските војски, кои во периодот меѓу 338 и 334 г.пр.н.е. разориле три хеленски (грчки) градови: Херонеја, Теба и Атина и во војните против Персија, искасапиле иљадници хеленски (грчки) војници, е бесмислено!

    Во овој контекст би сакал да појаснам дека во сите војни на Александар ИИИ во Азија, Хелените (Грците) учествувале на страната на Персијците, предводени од "Големиот крал" Дариј ИИИ, со една третина од вкупниот број т.е. со по околу 30.000 војници.

    Само во битката кај реката Граник македонските војски со своите сабји искасапиле 28.000 хеленски (грчки) војници.



    За битките на реките Пинар и Ис и кај Гаугамела и да не зборуваме. Во тие битки жртвите на Хелените биле уште поголеми, катастрофални.



    Оттаму и прашањето: Во која чест Грција ќе гради споменици на Александар ИИИ Макдонски во Азија? Ниту видено, ниту слушнато!



    Овој бесмислен грчки "проект", на кој откако светот ќе ја осознае историската вистина за Македонија, за македонскиот народ и за Александар ИИИ Македонски, а тоа време не е далеку, Грција ќе ја подложи на невиден потсмев, кој можеби ќе влезе и во книгата на Гинис, како прв случај во историјата на човековата цивилизација, која гради споменици на свои противници.



    Тоа, како што вели познатиот англиски научник Чадwицк Јохн, се прави свесно и упорно, зашто е во прашање богата историја која треба да се наследи, а ја имале само и исклучително древните Антички Македонци.



    Што како заклучок би кажале за Вашата најнова студија за Македонија?



    ПОПОВСКИ: Можам да кажам дека македонскиот народ, каде и да е, треба да се гордее со својата богата историја.



    Вистината е на македонска страна. Не случајно и не без причина грчката Влада настојува со сите сили да му го уништи идентитетот на македонскиот народ за да ја наследи историјата која му ја украде. Во тоа голема поддршка ужива од страна на Англосаксонците.



    Кај нашиот народ постои уверување дека современите Македонци немаат никаква врска со античките и дека потекнуваат од зад Карпатите. Таквото сфаќање треба конечно и дефинитивно да се избрише од нашата меморија.



    Таа теорија ја измислија и ја лансираа Англосаксонците, со цел да ја задушат македонската национална мисла, а да ја издигнат хеленската. За жал, тие тоа го прават и денес. Нема автор од тој период, од крајот на ВИ и почетокот на ВИИ век, кој во своето дело спомнува некакви Карпати.



    Тоа е ноторна лага и измислица. Од најстари времиња Македонците биле и останале на своите древни македонски етнички простори. Македонија била и останала татковина на Македонците и прататковина на сите словенски народи. Сите тие народи потекнуваат од Балканот, од македонските простори.



    Силна потврда на тој факт претставува наративниот споменик "Московски анали" од ВИИИ век, кој денес се чува во централната библиотека во Москва.



    Во него е напишано: "Ние, Русите – Московитите сме потомци на Античките Македонци. Ние го зборуваме јазикот на Античките Македонци". Како што гледаме, сведоштво со кое се потврдува македонскиот карактер на сите словенски народи.



    Мноштво руски и полски автори истражувале зад Карпатите, по што дошле до заклучок дека на тие мочурливи простори никогаш немало живот, со што се демантираат измислувањата на западната историографија.



    Таа историографија ги измисли термините: древна Хелада, древна хеленска култура и древен хелинизам.



    Вакви и слични термини во изворите од пред XИX век нема, едноставно не постојат.



    Во историјата на човековата цивилизација постоел само терминот македонизам т.е. древна македонска култура.



    Македонскиот народ треба да сфати дека постои само една вистина - дека постои цврста генетска врска меѓу древните антички и современите Македонци.

    Тоа е вистината.



    А таа вистина суверено се докажува со писмото, јазикот, со личните имиња, со патронимите, со топонимијата и со многу други особености, кои како доказен материјал се посведочени на повеќе од 250 натписи на надгробни плочи од праисторискиот период, а кои соодветно се обработени во мојата студија.



    Од тие споменици се изведени повеќе од 3.000 зборови содржани во ономастиконот на древните Антички Македонци, кои се сосема исти со зборовите во современиот македонски ономастикон. Тоа се несоборливи аргументи пред кои и боговите се принудени да молчат. Со еден збор, тоа е вистинската историја на македонскиот народ, во која на документиран начин се демантираат сите големогрчки заблуди, небулози, вештачки конструкции и фалсификати.



    Д-р Петар Поповски последниве три години објави неколку обемни студии, од кои две двотомни, со кои се расветлија многу темни периоди од историјата на македонскиот народ - "Георгија Кастриот - Искендер крал на Епир и Македонија и Втор Александар Македонски", "Мијаците потомци на Античките Македонци и прастари жители на Матија, денешна Албанија", "Крваво досие" и "Македонската средновековна црковна дипломатија".



    Во подготовка е уште една двотомна студија, "Украдена историја", од овој автор, која наскоро ќе ја "види" светлината на денот.



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  • TrueMacedonian
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    • Jan 2009
    • 3810

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    The real history of the Macedonian people can be found in the “Iliad”, the oldest narrative source of information put together by Homer, the prehistoric Macedonian poet, which dates back to the IX century BC.
    I guess Macedonians like Stefov and George still peddle around junkyard historians like Popovski without understanding the real repercussions of their actions (although I wonder sometimes).

    George are you trying to get a rise out of people with sh!t like this? Or are you a snake oil salesman selling a false product to young and impressionable minds?

    Normally the attack would be directed towards Popovski. But seeing as this is dated from 2009 you just opened yourself up for some bitter criticism.

    POPOVSKI: Exactly. That very fact, which is pointed out by hundreds of authors from ancient times and modern times, proves that the ancient Macedonians, descendants of the Pelasgians, belonged to the Northern European Aryan people, and the Hellenic Greeks belonged to a black Southern Arab people.
    George I am inclined to ask you now if you believe you belong to the Master Race as Hitler once believed. Well?

    POPOVSKI: At the moment it is not possible for me to answer that question. The “lines and marks” which were almost identical and evolved into the Cyrillic alphabet appeared on Macedonian soil between the 13th and 11th millennium BC. However, twenty years ago those same “lines and marks” were found written on tiles in a French cave in Mas de Azil. French archaeologists estimate the writing to be from the 25th millennia BC. The data we obtained that led us to our conclusion in Macedonia may have come from a much younger artefact. We will continue to look for more artefacts, which we expect will give us an earlier date on the age of the alphabet in Macedonia because we believe the alphabet originated in this part of the world, maybe even inside Macedonia.



    Here is one more fact. Many authors also believe in the idea that the Latin alphabet was derived from the same “lines and marks” introduced by the Phoenicians. This could mean that the pre-historic Macedonians, besides giving Europe her name, could have also given her the alphabet, ancient culture and all sorts of other cultural values. Unfortunately some quasi historians today attribute all that to an artificial empire called “Hellas”.



    In this context I would like to point out that Herodotus, in several places in his “History”, has unequivocally stated that his people, the so-called “Hellenes”, took their alphabet, as well as many other cultural values, from the Pelasgians! And today we have people trumpeting that it was the “Hellenes” or so-called “ancient Greeks” who gave Europe and the world their civilization!
    George do you honestly believe this? Do you believe that the ancient Macedonians gave Europe "her name" and also lent a hand in giving away an ancient alphabet? Popovski sounds no different than the moronic grks that join this forum peddling similar crap on their end.

    It is a notorious lie and a fabrication. The Macedonian people have lived in Macedonia since prehistoric times. Macedonia was, is and will be the home of the Macedonian people and the birthplace of all Slavic peoples. All these people come from the Balkans, from Macedonia!
    Macedonia the birthplace of all Slavic peoples? Macedonians were cavemen who eventually morphed to super duper Aryans?

    George I am beside myself when I read such utter BS. What are you thinking? Is this what you want young Macedonians to read? I don't know what's worse. You posting or Stefov translating it.
    Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      #3
      TM i deliberately put up the article to make people think about points of interest.Where have i said that i agree with the article i am neutral on what is written like all the articles i have put up people are free to comment like you have allready done so.But since you have commmented i would like to comment.Based on the evidence i do honestly beleive the pelasgians were one of the macedonian tribes roaming all over the place even to the extent of crete .The pelasgians left their mark all over the place with the ancient macedonian toponyms & words .Crete .Kriet means to hide,But anyway i do beleive some of the things poposki says are true.Some things of course need more coooberation.
      POPOVSKI: Exactly. That very fact, which is pointed out by hundreds of authors from ancient times and modern times, proves that the ancient Macedonians, descendants of the Pelasgians, belonged to the Northern European Aryan people, and the Hellenic Greeks belonged to a black Southern Arab people.What you diasagree with this statement?I agree with it.I don't necessarily beleive were the master race but elements prove the slavic influence in the beginning the way things have been intertwined.
      Here is one more fact. Many authors also believe in the idea that the Latin alphabet was derived from the same “lines and marks” introduced by the Phoenicians. This could mean that the pre-historic Macedonians, besides giving Europe her name, could have also given her the alphabet, ancient culture and all sorts of other cultural values. Unfortunately some quasi historians today attribute all that to an artificial empire called “Hellas”.I beleive that many alphabets in europe are derived from the ancient macedonian.The original ancient macedonian had as many as 36 letters & is rich in inflections & one can see how the various alphabets were so called invented from the phonecian like greek only had 25 letters.
      So TM given this fact about the ancient macedonian alphabet & from where the macedonian p[eople originated from bryghians & the fact from eneti ,veneti.One sees where the eutrascan alphabet came from the ancient macedonian one.The latin alphabet also derived from the ancient macedonian.Eg stari decisis let the old decision stand.Cest stoi kai trust.Ce stoj kaj trust.Everything stands in trust.There are other examples i'm no linguist.Nor do i claim to be an expert on history.Whils't there needs more cooberation I can some things are decided on scanti information.
      TM i'll see if risto or povski might be interested in replying.This article like the others was inserted to make people read & think is what you have done.I'll see if we can get a comment ok.Just because i put it up doesn't mean i agree with everything i only agree with some of it but wagree whole heartedly that the pelasgians were a macedonian tribe.TM don't think because i'm neutral that i have accepted hook line & sinker on everything what they got to say.I'm inclined to agree but it must be on more cooberation on some things.
      Last edited by George S.; 12-18-2012, 01:03 PM. Reason: ed
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • momce
        Banned
        • Oct 2012
        • 426

        #4
        its true Macedonians were an Aryan culture whereas greeks were probably a mix of semites, anatolians and egyptian/eritreans.

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        • TrueMacedonian
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 3810

          #5
          Originally posted by George S. View Post
          TM i deliberately put up the article to make people think about points of interest.Where have i said that i agree with the article i am neutral on what is written like all the articles i have put up people are free to comment like you have allready done so.But since you have commmented i would like to comment.Based on the evidence i do honestly beleive the pelasgians were one of the macedonian tribes roaming all over the place even to the extent of crete .The pelasgians left their mark all over the place with the ancient macedonian toponyms & words .Crete .Kriet means to hide,But anyway i do beleive some of the things poposki says are true.Some things of course need more coooberation.
          POPOVSKI: Exactly. That very fact, which is pointed out by hundreds of authors from ancient times and modern times, proves that the ancient Macedonians, descendants of the Pelasgians, belonged to the Northern European Aryan people, and the Hellenic Greeks belonged to a black Southern Arab people.What you diasagree with this statement?I agree with it.I don't necessarily beleive were the master race but elements prove the slavic influence in the beginning the way things have been intertwined.
          Here is one more fact. Many authors also believe in the idea that the Latin alphabet was derived from the same “lines and marks” introduced by the Phoenicians. This could mean that the pre-historic Macedonians, besides giving Europe her name, could have also given her the alphabet, ancient culture and all sorts of other cultural values. Unfortunately some quasi historians today attribute all that to an artificial empire called “Hellas”.I beleive that many alphabets in europe are derived from the ancient macedonian.The original ancient macedonian had as many as 36 letters & is rich in inflections & one can see how the various alphabets were so called invented from the phonecian like greek only had 25 letters.
          So TM given this fact about the ancient macedonian alphabet & from where the macedonian p[eople originated from bryghians & the fact from eneti ,veneti.One sees where the eutrascan alphabet came from the ancient macedonian one.The latin alphabet also derived from the ancient macedonian.Eg stari decisis let the old decision stand.Cest stoi kai trust.Ce stoj kaj trust.Everything stands in trust.There are other examples i'm no linguist.Nor do i claim to be an expert on history.Whils't there needs more cooberation I can some things are decided on scanti information.
          TM i'll see if risto or povski might be interested in replying.This article like the others was inserted to make people read & think is what you have done.I'll see if we can get a comment ok.Just because i put it up doesn't mean i agree with everything i only agree with some of it but wagree whole heartedly that the pelasgians were a macedonian tribe.TM don't think because i'm neutral that i have accepted hook line & sinker on everything what they got to say.I'm inclined to agree but it must be on more cooberation on some things.

          George where is this ancient Macedonian alphabet? Why isnt every linguist from around the world jumping at the opportunity to back this up with credible data? Or is it all one big conspiracy theory? As far as aryan Macedonians and black Hellenes I am truly disappointed by people who need to make this connection for modern propaganda purposes. What in the hell does that have to do with modern Macedonians and modern Greeks? Are we pure aryans george? People like Popovski and gullible candidates like yourself make Macedonians look cartoonishly extreme. And that Stefov would go out of his way to translate this junk shows how far off the deep end he is.
          Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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          • TrueMacedonian
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 3810

            #6
            Originally posted by momce View Post
            its true Macedonians were an Aryan culture whereas greeks were probably a mix of semites, anatolians and egyptian/eritreans.
            Probabilities and guesses from antiquity mean nothing. Are modern Macedonians Aryan? Were Macedonians immune from migrations, settlements, invasions, and population transfers? Towing Popovski's line doesn't get anyone across the finish line.
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            • momce
              Banned
              • Oct 2012
              • 426

              #7
              my view is Macedonians were probably a branch of Aryans who arrived from the North...whereas greeks were largely a seafraing people who arrived from east and south and colonised coastal areas...Macedonians were tied to the land like Illyrians and Thracians to whom they were probably related...thats why I think theres no problem with bulgaria(which relaise is a political term invented by the Ottomans and Byzantines)-macedonia just to change it to Thraco-Macedonia federation where Illyria-here I mean Illyria stretching all the way into Bosnia, Croatia etc) plays in there Im not sure but would be deeper then any relation with southern greek tribes which are largely superimpositions on the area

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              • George S.
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 10116

                #8
                The macedonians are mentioned in the vedas in sanscrit.Incidentally sanscrit is derived from the ancient macedonian.There are lots & lots of similar words.In the vedas it is written how people from the high country (macedonia) gave them their customs ,religion,& their language.The word shruti in sanscrit means to hear in ancient macedonian.
                If you look at all the phonetical alphabets in the world ie the indo european they probably are derived from the ancient macedonian.
                TM stop BS for once there are plenty of examples where poposki refferred to 3000 ancient macedonian words.There are lots of sources on the internet that the macedonians spoke their own mother tounge macedonian i don't want to waste my time with a cut & paste merchant.A doubting thomas in the midst.So prove t5hat ancient macedonian when there are more than 10,000 words discovered allready.We can even understand the illiad with modern macedonian that has similar words.
                Last edited by George S.; 12-18-2012, 07:25 PM.
                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                GOTSE DELCEV

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                • George S.
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10116

                  #9
                  True Macedonian where did i accept what Dr Poposki has said is right i said more work & cooberation needs to be established.Where as you don't even give them the time of day to at least be heard.You seem to have selective hearing & only hear what you want to hear.If you are so convinced he is wrong why you don't tell him yourself through stefov.I only bring up articles for discussion & if i bring up articles that i allways agree that will be pretty boring.The other thing is that Dr Poposki is not alone on the more cooberation needed front.There are others who have been mentioned in the past.
                  You only need to contact STEFOV & he could get you contact DR Poposki perhaps a one to one challenge you versus Dr Poposki
                  Regarding macedonians,the greeks regarded them as Tall & fair.If they were of aryan stock (macedonia) that can only be good for us.If macedonians were blue eyed & white so what i'm not going to doubt that.But the greeks were short & dark people in contrast ie from arabia.
                  So why don't you invite DR Poposki on the forum TM a one on one.????
                  Last edited by George S.; 12-18-2012, 07:31 PM. Reason: ed
                  "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                  GOTSE DELCEV

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                  • George S.
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10116

                    #10
                    Moce you are right i fully support you in your opinion.You are right about the greeks.
                    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                    GOTSE DELCEV

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                    • TrueMacedonian
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3810

                      #11
                      Originally posted by George S. View Post
                      Mr cut & paste merchant are you really a True Macedonian where did i accept what Pooski has said is right i said more work & cooberation needs to be setablished.Where as you don't even give the the time of day to at least be heard.You seem to have selective hearing & only hear what you want to hear.If you are so convinced he is wrong why you don't tell him yourself through stefov.I only bring up articles for discussion & if i bring up articles that i allways agree that will be pretty boring.
                      This Mr. Cut and Paste merchant has no selective hearing. You have every right to post whatever it is you desire. I reserve the right to criticize such jibberish. But you still don't get the point of why I am criticizing you. You don't see why posting anything from a goof like Popovski shows how irresponsible you are and how it actually hurts the Macedonian Cause. I may be a "cut and paste merchant" but at least I can see what a sham Popovski is and why he is a cancer to Macedonia instead of a cure.
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                      • makedonche
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 3242

                        #12
                        GeorgeS
                        I think you may need to be a little more selective about what you post, after all this is the Macedonian Truth Organisation and should be a place the truth is put up for all to see, not just opinions and speculation.
                        I think we have a responsibility to be as accurate and truthful as possible IMHO.
                        Pozdrav
                        On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                        • George S.
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 10116

                          #13
                          i don't think tm you got it yourself.I did not comment originally on what i posted it was a matter of interst i let other people do it in the mean time i get criticised fopr posting it.I didn't know anything until i received the email.
                          But i got a rsesponse from Risto Stefov & this is his feeling on the matter:
                          excerpt from email
                          Zdravo George,

                          If Macedonian historians DON'T write about these things; they are tormented by other Macedonians! If they DO write they are tormented again! There is no winning with us Macedonians.

                          We don't need enemies; we have ourselves! Is that a way of UNITING our people by pounding them on the head with a sledge hammer every time they dare to speak?

                          George, I will not dignify this by replying to it nor will I pass it on to Dr. Popovski and insult him for doing what many historians should have done a long time ago!!!!

                          I was called stupid, an idiot, a moron and a number of other lovely terms BY MACEDONIAND when I first said ten years ago "There is no such thing as a Greek and the Greek identity is fake and made-up"!!! Now, ten years later "everyone is saying it, including our leading critic of Dr. Popovski"! So, was I an idiot and a moron? Ten years from now we will see who is right and who is wrong regarding Dr. Popovski's work!

                          So Dr. Popovski is a "Junk Yard Historian!" And who is a good historian? I would like to give everyone an opportunity to plant a seed; if it is a viable seed it will produce when conditions are right; if not no big loss. But I can guaranty you nothing will be yielded if we keep hitting people on the head because we don't like what they say; or because they are an embarrassment to "Macedonia"! Who determines ifthey are an embarasment? Nameless forum worriorst? Elected authorities chosen by the people? Even those elected by the people are not "good enough" for your forum!!! So, who is good enough????? And how high is the bar set here??? Will any Macedonian be able to clear it? Does Delchev qualify to be a good Macedonian?

                          Let me ask you this George: "Who benefits from this kind of hammer over the head criticism?", do we or do our enemies? And how in God's name are we ever going to unite the Macedonian people with these kinds of attitudes? Whether we know it or not; whether we like it or not; this kind of criticisms is what is keeping us DIVIDED and it only serves our enemies because instead of being sencistive to our people and asking for proof or clarification and focusing on the positive things, we outright attack them, their person, at their core! I guess we are learning from the Greeks after all!!!!

                          Pozdrav, Risto...

                          I hope you guys got it the more we know of different points of view the better.
                          Prior to this i didn't know of poposki now i do.We all have a right to our own opinions.
                          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                          GOTSE DELCEV

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                          • George S.
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10116

                            #14
                            TM you got a choice either macedonians start writing their own history or others will write it for them. at least I can see what a sham Popovski is and why he is a cancer to Macedonia instead of a cure."This is where you are wrong the more that is written the better.I resrved my opinion until people commented.Whils't i don't agree with everything popski says & may be far fetched who can cooberate given the historic dealings it has to have.One thing you can't stand is people who you think are wrong simply because they can't cooberate.It would be good for you to let loose & find out how the professor feels with the limited resources & your high expectations that you have.Do you want the greeks to write your history & then you can cut & paste where it says macedonia.
                            So you should find out a bit more of this Dr popski what he's written & what he is trying to achieve instead you are driving them into the ground all because they are macedonian.
                            I hope you got that TM.
                            __________________
                            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                            GOTSE DELCEV

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                            • George S.
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10116

                              #15
                              TM don't give me your BS advice about a cancer for the cause,think about it if no one macedonian wrote anything then the otherside with their propaganda will win.Also you have allready made up your mind you have prejudged the issue because you got your own high standards don't forget not everyone is the same.Don't lecture me about what truth is when you are attacking our own people for even attempting to write our own history.Or do you prefer the grk to write it for you or the bulgarians.
                              Also i would like to thank you for not giving them a chance to express their writing but you prefer some grk to write it for you that's the message you are sending me mate.I'm only the messenger & you just shot me.If that's the way you behave & advocate with a tunnel vision concept for intrepretation of history that's fine you can be contra in your own parrallel universe.
                              Last edited by George S.; 12-18-2012, 10:42 PM. Reason: ed
                              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                              GOTSE DELCEV

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