300 Greek students had no idea about battle of Marathon

[momce]

The question is not what the students think about as their opinion is irrelevant as ever. What matters the most is the the general opinion among scholars whether the Albanians are Illyrians or not.



Tell me a good reason why students should think otherwise?

Because Albanian fully appears much later in history, like modern Macedonian slavic. So the connection with antiquity is at best teneous and cannot seriously be used to guide modern politics. By the way I have a question: does anyone know why Macedonian slavonic dialects are so geographically dispersed and why similar ones are spoken in totally different areas many of them non-contiguous with eachother? What could be the possible substrate of them? Why is something similar to the Kostur dialect spoken in Albania for example etc? Maybe Ill throw out a suggestion that will probably be frowned upon: perhaps we're not all the same people?

[Bill77]

Momce........language=Race/Ethnicity.
Am I reading your post and what you are suggesting correctly?

[Eden]

Explain a little more, americans and brits have not the same dialects but they are the same people. I don't get your point here, really.

[Pelagon]

"....appears much later in history, like modern Macedonian slavic. So the connection with antiquity is at best teneous and cannot seriously be used to guide modern politics. By the way I have a question: does anyone know why Macedonian slavonic dialects..."

I doubt that you are Macedonian and most likely you are sly anti-Macedonian (probably a Bulgar or Bulgaroman, IMHO!). This is really a job for the Mods to look into.

WTF is "Macedonian slavonic dialects"? What other Macedonian dialects are there besides MACEDONIAN? Why would a Macedonian call Macedonian dialects with an anti-Macedonian designation used by our enemies?

WTF is this supposed to mean "....appears much later in history, like modern Macedonian slavic. So the connection with antiquity is at best teneous"? That Macedonians have no connection to Macedonian antiquity? What is "Macedonian slavic" and why use such anti-Macedonian terminology? There is NO language called "Slavic" and thus NOBODY SPEAKS "Slavic" anything and Macedonian speak Macedonian and have Macedonian dialects.

[momce]

No just that maybe what differentiates them and from Slavic occurs outside the Balkans or from paleo-Balkan. Iranian? Just primitive research thats all.

[Vangelovski]

Momce, are you Macedonian?

[Pelagon]

Impressive! You have less than 60 posts, yet you label me UCK apologist without reading not a single post of mine.

You presume too much and have a short memory or pretend to have one!

03-02-2013, 07:19 PM #100
Epirot
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I don't get why most of you are applauding those kind of protests where the insanity is at its greatest. Why no one has posted the pictures of those innocent citiziens who got assaulted by the angry crowd of hooligans? I'm really irked that no one has condemned the violence of your side? I refrain from commenting further, I let pictures to speak on my behalf:
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...t=7260&page=10

A few replies to your apologist propaganda:
Ramo: "...The shiptars killed 4 innocent random young men on our greatest holiday. After the killers got arrested this same shiptar hordes went to protest against arresting killers of innocent children. I wonder why none of them condemned the killings"

Ramo: "...The police regularly arrest our Macedonian young men even at their homes after some games or incidents. They even call them before some matches to warn them not to make any incidents. On the other side, they do not cross the stone bridge in the albanian part and they almost never arrest shiptar scumbags although they regularly beat random innocent men and children and regularly use knifes unlike us."

Ramo: "...You don't seem to understand. We have shiptar police. They will beat and arrest only macedonian men, and are afraid to arrest Albanian. When the albanians were demolishing the church on Kale, ethnic macedonian officer arrested one of hooligan, and his albanian colleague released him in front of the cameras."

Mariovec: "Albanska rabota, samo oni se tepani a nikoj drug. Kako mi je sega maka od niv da mu go ebam orelot."

from the Albanians...



LOOK AT HE PHOTO BELOW, ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN STILL SEE THE STATUE OF THE ALBANIAN EAGLE STANDING PROUDLY FROM THE NOVEMBER CELEBRATIONS. NO ONE BOTHERED TO REMOVE IT.










All this from the very thought of removing Talat Xhaferi from Minister of Defence.... not like the government is actually going to remove him. What would happen if they did?

Eden: "And you know what the Albanians said? They said that the 13 years old was stabbed by macedonians and they ask him to kiss a cross (WTF!!). Theses pieces of shit said also that a bus with albanians children was assaulted by macedonians with weapons. Lying is something genetic with the albanians and their fellow greeks or what? By the way Epirot, when there are violences, killings against Macedonians, where are you? I don't see you denouncing theses acts committed by your "brothers". So don't come here and teach lessons please, thank you"

Risto The Great:

Originally Posted by Epirot View Post
This is really outrageous!

"Epirot, if we were going to subscribe to an eye for an eye mentality, the Macedonians would have a great deal of catching up to do with your compatriots. So please spare us the drama.

Notwithstanding this, it would appear kids were protesting this ridiculous appointment more than anyone else. Maybe it was children fighting. Either way, I don't subscribe to children getting hurt."

Niko777: "Albanians also attacked the fire fighters.... not sure why"

Big Bad Sven: "Can we please ban Epirot? Its clear that he is here with a motive,and will pounce on any opportunities to make the shiptars look innocent and the macedonians look like barbaic communist slavs. Its something the shiptars have mastered during the kosovo and macedonian wars. And he is doing it now

Epirot you slimy little weasel, were where you when those innocents got butchered by shiptar maniacs a few months ago? You didnt even defend them, just made excuses.

What about the VIOLENCE and DESTRUCTION caused recently by the shiptars? What is your excuse now mate? What did the macedonians do to the poor little shiptars to make them so angry? What 'human rights' have they abused that justifies the destruction of Skopje?

Your mentality is typical of a backwards balkan bastard loser"


Risto The Great:
"Epirot, where are you? Denounce some little action by a Macedonian but no show when actions of huge proportions of ethnic Albanian scum wreak havoc on a nation?

Not unnoticed."
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I rather tend to ignore some individuals like you who did offer nothing of substance.

I was and am going to do the same but if I was a mod around here, you would be gone permanently. Whatever I offer in substance will certainly not be appreciated by an UCK apologist or supporter and I care little what such an anti-Macedonian can offer.

It's not fault of yours at all as your knowledge on history is little as your Greek colleagues. I bet if you were on that amphitheater you would hide under desk had Papagiannis addressed that question to you. The fact is that you knew nothing of Marathon, without consulting Wiki. hahaha

You make too many childish assumptions and this is just spam as far as I am concerned.

[momce]

Momce, are you Macedonian?

Yes man. Ive been working on a logic problem lately: if ancient Macedonian(whos classification is still debatable; when you have a special case in logic you usually set it aside because you cant say much about it) had tendencies towards hybridisation then multiple claims on Macedonia are quite natural. So it may be the Macedonian problem is insoluble. Sort of like Fermats theorem. Which explains alot of history. Maybe its just a problem we have to live with. Everyones totalisation project is a failurem etc. And I have a big problem with people who have insane theories about genetics, racism and socialism/fascist return to mythological origins of which we know very little about and which would require some kind of horrible violence to implement and whos veracity is probably quite dubious. Lately I have become pessimistic about political options and my concerns have become more localised and cultural in character.

[makedonche]

Do whatever you want but you're going absolutely nowhere if you're asking mods to remove a thread without a good reason. I rather think that some of members who dissented the content of article, at the very moment of reading felt somehow embarrassed. I'm sure that most of you knew nothing about the Battle of Marathon, as Papagiannis asked.

Epirot
Look at the title of this thread and tell it belongs here on the MTO?
The entire thread offers no historical/cultural/modern day use whatsoever to Macedonians!
Again I ask the mods to get rid of this thread it is nothing but a breeding place for spam!

[Vangelovski]

Yes man. Ive been working on a logic problem lately: if ancient Macedonian(whos classification is still debatable; when you have a special case in logic you usually set it aside because you cant say much about it) had tendencies towards hybridisation then multiple claims on Macedonia are quite natural. So it may be the Macedonian problem is insoluble. Sort of like Fermats theorem. Which explains alot of history. Maybe its just a problem we have to live with. Everyones totalisation project is a failurem etc. And I have a big problem with people who have insane theories about genetics, racism and socialism/fascist return to mythological origins of which we know very little about and which would require some kind of horrible violence to implement and whos veracity is probably quite dubious. Lately I have become pessimistic about political options and my concerns have become more localised and cultural in character.

Whatever. Why is it that you go to the extra effort of writing slavonic or slavic in addition to Macedonian when refering to the language?

[momce]

Whatever. Why is it that you go to the extra effort of writing slavonic or slavic in addition to Macedonian when refering to the language?

Because I'm not sure whats its real origins are and Im just following common academic nomenclatures. Its just a research problem. But confrontation with these paradoxes lead me to shelve any national idea concept for a long time now.

[Vangelovski]

Because I'm not sure whats its real origins are and Im just following common academic nomenclatures. Its just a research problem. But confrontation with these paradoxes lead me to shelve any national idea concept for a long time now.

Its origins are irrelevant to its identification as the Macedonian language. You don't, for example, state Germanic English or English Germanic.

Which "common academic nomenclatues" are you referring to?

[momce]

It is usually classified as south Balkan Slavic. Oh I had to become a beginner again to get rid of alot of junk.

[Vangelovski]

It is usually classified as south Balkan Slavic. Oh I had to become a beginner again to get rid of alot of junk.

I know what language family it is classified as, but you were implying that it is referred to as Macedonian Slavonic or Slavic in "common academic nomenclature". That has nothing to do with its language family classification. We are talking about the actual name of the language.

I think you still need to get rid of a lot more junk.

[momce]

I know what language family it is classified as, but you were implying that it is referred to as Macedonian Slavonic or Slavic in "common academic nomenclature". That has nothing to do with its language family classification. We are talking about the actual name of the language.

I think you still need to get rid of a lot more junk.

Maybe I dont claim to know everything. What would be proto-Macedonian or common Macedonian for example(not standardised)?