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Old 02-19-2010, 09:58 PM   #2611
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If you do not like UMD you can say your opinion about them, criticize them for their work, declare that they do not represent you but only their members and followers, etc. but you cannot pretend to make them stop existing.
Vodenka, again, stop being a sensationalist and creating your own fictions, nobody here is calling for the destruction of the UMD, or "pretend to make them stop existing", whatever that is supposed to mean.

You haven't even bothered to search and verify their pro-compromise stance, have you? Yet you're still commenting in ignorance. It's like the message needs to be repeated for every single one of you UMD apologists, THE ISSUE CONTINUES TO STAY ON THE SURFACE BECAUSE THE UMD REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ERRORS FROM THE PAST.

Are you able to comprehend that at all? Should people listen to you when you constantly make comments against Vinozito, or should they think of you as some raving lunatic? Are you a hypocrite Vodenka?
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:07 PM   #2612
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Just to be clear. UMD has not received any government funds.
Thanks for that. Do you wish to provide some clarity for the rest of the below? A non-profit organisation like yourselves that refuse to be transparent with financial matters, I find that quite contradictory and misleading, I hope you will have the decency to clear the air on this point.

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I can't see why your question was met with such shock by UMD. If I was a member of the UMD I wouldn't have any issues with the opening of new offices, so long as I am appropriately informed about initiatives and decisions taking place, and asked for input as a paying member. I can understand that the final say will come from the executive board, but I would at least like my voice to be heard and considered as a member.

Are UMD members made aware of how much offices will cost? How much is Meto's salary? Who makes these decisions and deems the figures appropriate? Which body carries out independent audits for the purpose of ensuring confidence among members and stakeholders?

Don't members have the right to know where their money is going?

I would be happy with even something as simple as the following (fictional) breakdown in AUSD:

$100,000 received from donations
$100,000 received from membership
$50,000 received from government or association grants

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$20,000 spent on stationary for Macedonian schools
$50,000 spent on promotional efforts
$100,000 spent on Meto Koloski

Balance: $80,000

Intention for Balance: New projects, educational investments, etc, etc.

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Of course, all points would require elaboration, like what projects, investments, etc and some particulars. People want to know, they deserve to know.


Is this too much to ask for a non-profit organisation?
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:11 PM   #2613
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I can see that guys and am as disappointed by UMD right now.

My comment was intended to get to the UMD crew to get them to think about things differently.

There is only one Macedonia. We have one Republic which is the most democratic of countries in Europe. Europe itself has more than a few things to learn from Macedonia.

No need to officially state we are Democratic, for or to anyone.

The Ohrid Framework Agreement has led to an increase in Albanian extremism and separatism. Europe needs to see this must be changed or amended so that law and order can be restored.

The US/EU/UN/NATO........ all the bloody power house groups have played right into the Albanian extremists hands and are buying themselves nothing but problems in Europe.

This farcical name negotiation must end.

Law and Order must be brought into place.

The Republic of Macedonia must take its rightful place on the International arena .

As far as UMD and Meto go, both they and he need to publicly apologise for their stuff ups to date and demonstrate they are a group who can live up to their namesake.

United Macedonian Diaspora is a great name. A shame the org. doesn't represent that at the moment.
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:39 PM   #2614
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Greek Students at University of Melbourne protested the lecture UMD gave today at the University: http://forums.greekcity.com.au/index...-of-melbourne/

They will NEVER prevent Macedonians from expressing themselves and making sure the world is aware about Macedonia. Academic freedom will not be stopped!
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:47 PM   #2615
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There is only one Macedonia. We have one Republic which is the most democratic of countries in Europe. Europe itself has more than a few things to learn from Macedonia.
You are SERIOUSLY DELUDING YOURSELF if you (or anybody else) think that post-2001 Ramkovist Macedonia is "Democratic" anything let alone "the most democratic of countries in Europe"! What PLANET ARE YOU FROM, bratko???


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The Ohrid Framework Agreement has led to an increase in Albanian extremism and separatism. Europe needs to see this must be changed or amended so that law and order can be restored
Apart from the obvious observation you make, I suggest you familiarise yourself with what the FA (Ramkoven dogovor) actually meant for Macedonian national sovereignty and identity before you make comments on the implications and consequences of its adoption at the point of gun (capitulation).

The following thread has a series of opinions, resolutions from diaspora organisations against its implementation dating from 2001 and other relevant info: Shto e Ohridskiot ramkoven dogovor? Iznuden akt na kapitulatsija na porazena strana

NB: Nothing short of WAR and defeat of UCK will ever be able to reverse the consequences of the implementation of the FA and various previous concessions that allowed the Ghegs to have total political (physical) control of about 1/3 of the territory of Macedonia (Republic of).

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Old 02-19-2010, 10:49 PM   #2616
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Greek Students at University of Melbourne protested the lecture UMD gave today at the University: http://forums.greekcity.com.au/index...-of-melbourne/

They will NEVER prevent Macedonians from expressing themselves and making sure the world is aware about Macedonia. Academic freedom will not be stopped!
Wow man that guy is unbelievable! A good example of just how the Greeks harass.
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You are SERIOUSLY DELUDING YOURSELF if you (or anybody else) think that post-2001 Ramkovist Macedonia is "Democratic" anything let alone "the most democratic of countries in Europe"! What PLANET ARE YOU FROM, bratko???




Apart from the obvious observation you make, I suggest you familiarise yourself with what the FA (Ramkoven dogovor) actually meant for Macedonian national sovereignty and identity before you make comments on the implications and consequences of its adoption at the point-of-the-gun (capitulation).

The following thread has a series of opinions, resolutions from diaspora organisations against its implementation dating from 2001 and other relevant info: Shto e Ohridskiot ramkoven dogovor? Iznuden akt na kapitulatsija na porazena strana

NB: Nothing short of WAR and defeat of UCK will ever be able to reverse the consequences of the implementation of the FA and various previous concessions that allowed the Ghegs to have total political (physical) control of about 1/3 of the territory of Macedonia (Republic of).
Yes Indigen. Thank you. A shame UMD doesn't see the obvious.
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Thats a LIE !
Read your own statements.
I agree 100% with this and I am amazed how shameless they are in spinning lies and excuses and continuously contradicting themselves.
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Yes Indigen. Thank you. A shame UMD doesn't see the obvious.
I am sorry if I was a bit harsh on you, bratko, but the line about "most democratic" or "model multi-ethnic democracy" has been spread by "UMD" and their Ramkovist allies (or masters) and it can be catching phrase to repeat if one is not a politicized activist and able to see through its negative consequences. As for multi-ethnic democracy, you would NOT want to wish it on your worst enemy let alone proclaim it as something to uphold in high esteem (as A. Mitreski and Co do) for your own national state.

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Old 02-19-2010, 11:25 PM   #2620
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I am sorry if I was a bit harsh on you, bratko, but the line about "most democratic" or "model multi-ethnic democracy" has been spread by "UMD" and their Ramkovist allies (or masters) and it can be catching phrase to repeat if one is not a politicized activist and able to see through its negative consequences. As for multi-ethnic democracy, you would NOT want to wish it on your worst enemy let alone proclaim it as something to uphold in high esteem (as A. Mitreski and Co do) for your own national state.

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Understand. No offense taken.
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