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Old 02-08-2010, 07:36 PM   #2201
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I'm fucking disqusted honestly, to read something like that from a "UMD Co-Founder, Board Member and Director of Policy Planning - Boban Jovanovski"


WTF is wrong with you man?

They UNDERSTAND the Albanian frustration - fuckin unbelievable!
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:41 PM   #2202
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I say this in general, and in principle, and I'm sure all agree:

Anyone is entitled to their own personal opinion.

However, you must consider in what capacity any statement is made. Is it as a representative of an organisation, is it in the name of the organisation, is it at an event of and/or for the organisation, is it to people questioning the organisation, or is it in a personal private conversation.

Secondly, the personal opinion of the head does reflect back on the organisation itself in that, it beckons the question why an organisation would keep at its' head someone so diametrically opposed to its' policy, if indeed there is such a disparity. So any organisation is automatically implicated by the personal or otherwise statements and views of its' head.
Rogi, Meto was speaking as the President of UMD. It was a UMD interview and press release.

The case you are trying to make here is the kind of sophistry and bullet dodging tactics TYPICAL of UMD.

This is the same garbage I heard from the President of UMD (Oh ! Or was it Meto Koloski speaking?), recently.

I was at a UMD recruitment drive in my local region last night. I asked some questions. I referred particularly to Meto's comments about a name change.

His response was that on a personal level he believes we have to change our name, but that that is not the position of UMD. UMD he said does not want a name change.

When the President of UMD was making these speeches for a name change back in March last year, was it Meto Koloski talking, or was it the President of UMD talking?

If you find references throughout the interview of "...We..." and "We..." and "....We..." he is clearly referring to the position of UMD and talking as President of UMD.

If on the other hand he uses the singular "I" a case may be made that he is expressing his own opinion, but even then it is highly suspect.
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:49 PM   #2203
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UMDiaspora, Amitreski, Buktop, etc........Bratot is not from Australia yet he still feels the way we do about the UMD. Clearly, the false assertion circulating a little while back that this is all an Australian conspiracy against the Macedonians in the US is just that, a false assertion.

Logical people know what is right and what isn't. I share Bratot's view on the matter, it is an absolute disgrace of an article, pathetically worded, and detrimental to our cause.
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:02 PM   #2204
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Default My Impressions of Meto and UMD

I attened a UMD meeting last night. It was highly staged and higly formalized.

My first impressions of Meto was that he is a conman.

He knows what people want to hear. He says the right things. He uses a softly spoken voice. It was velvety and sophisticated, and I left the meeting feeling quite good about the whole thing.

He spoke for an hour about the so called "achievements" of UMD. There were some big figures quoted, and he used some big words on the international scene.

I asked him some questions about a name change, and he said EXACTLY was Rogi has been saying on this forum. That in fact it was his personal opinion that we should change our name, not the opinion of UMD or in his capacity as President.

I was not the only one who could sense that this was a lie.

My impression was that UMD were CONNING well intentioned and good Macedonians with their sophistry.

As I said Meto prattled on about UMD's achievements the entire time deflecting attention away from the critical issue facing our country and Macedonians all over the world. He was good at deflecting attention by praying on our pride in Macedonia, and our patriotism.

But alot of it makes no sense.

For example:

In his speech he said Macedonia must enter under its constitutional name, yet he calls for a changed name.

In his speech he said that UMD want Macedonia to enter the E.U and NATO as an equal partner, and yet he defends our entry into NATO as FYROM.

Massive Contradictions in UMD position

The Ambassador in Perth said that the Macedonian government said to him that they will never change the name, and yet at best we have Meto Koloski accepting a name change (He said his personal point of view was for a name change), and at worst we have UMD calling for a name change (UMD President speaking).

Why would Meto or UMD be calling for a name change, or a modified name, if the Macedonian Ambassador in Perth told me face to face that the Macedonian government informed him 3 months ago that they will never change the name?

I am convinced that someone at UMD or in the Macedonian government is lying to us all.

My first impression was that Meto was snatching up any Macedonian he can get from on high.

UMD is splitting our community

Divide and conquer.

Finally, if only other Macedonians could have seen the arguements and eruptions following the conference. UMD has split our community already and it hasn't even started yet. I saw Macedonian community members who have been defending our rights for decades arguing with each other last night, because of the compromizes and the deception of UMD.

Some Macedonians liked what they were hearing, but didn't really know, nor did UMD make it clear where it stood on the critical issues facing Macedonia.
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:02 PM   #2205
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I can and believe me I will use every possible source to reveal what kind of policy is held by the current UMD Board.

You (the other UMD members) have the option to dismiss those incapable persons or to force them to resign in a civil manner and the new UMD board to withdraw from their current anti-macedonian statements.

If something really pisses me off is this kind of pickavluk attitude!
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:05 PM   #2206
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The actual people responsible were greeted like heroes in Australia as far as I can remember.
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What exactly can you 'remember'?
Kako beja Precekani Ljubco i Ljube?

AMitreski, This is why there is no trust anymore remember?
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:22 PM   #2207
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i do not live in Australia. do i have right to write on this topic? ^^

joke on side:

- i am living outside Makedonia more than 10 years. i am part of the Macedonian Emigration / Diaspora.

- i am member of this forum ~24 hours. in this period i was several times disapointed by UMD. first amitreski uses terms like "Bark to..." , and now i read that the UMD Director of Public Policy, Boban Jovanovski, understand the Albanians revolt. (concidering the encyclopedia)

is this a JOKE?
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:37 PM   #2208
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Pelister, Where was this meeting held?
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:38 PM   #2209
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No joke Serdare, this is UMD policy.

Unless of course another one of their members now tells us that this is Boban's personal opinion and should not be tied into the official view of the UMD. It's beginning to look like a circus, as individuals they say anything that comes to mind and they expect no backlash against the organisation they work for.

Just imagine if we had a proper Diaspora group that would relay the sentiments of the Macedonians outside of Macedonia, to the Macedonian government. Imagine the support they would have, the influence, the Macedonian government would have to sit up and listen to our concerns. Instead, we have the UMD blindly following, instead of leading.

They are like a tool for the government, we already have embassies for that purpose.
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:50 PM   #2210
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Instead, we have the UMD blindly following, instead of leading.

They are like a tool for the government, we already have embassies for that purpose.
Odlicno kazano!

I have came up with the same conclussion in several times already.
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