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  • Prolet
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 5241

    Good point Bratot

    Би-Би-Си: Корупцијата во Грција причина за кризата во земјата

    21.01.2010
    Атина


    Корупцијата во Грција е толку голема што таа е причина за сегашната тешка економска ситуација во земјата, изјави на раководителот на грчката филијала на „Транспаренси Интернешнл“, Константинос Бакурис.

    Во интервју за Би-Би-Си, тој вели дека корупцијата во Грција, заедно со масовно раширеното неплаќање и затајување данок, се „круцијални“ за сегашната криза и за тоа што земјата се најде пред банкрот.

    Според Бакурис, дури 30 отсто од бруто домашниот производ на земјата се води како непријавен.

    Грција ќе беше во многу подобра ситуација ако грчките граѓани ги пријавуваа своите приходи и за нив плаќаа данок, изјави раководителот на „Транспаренси“ во Атина, забележувајќи дека и можноста за побрзо стабилизирање ќе беше полесно изводлива.

    Бакурис објаснува дека за да се добие некоја зделка или некаков проект, зад кој стои грчката Влада, мора да се биде близок или поврзан со некого од владините функционери или да му се изгради имот, ако станува збор за некаков градежен проект.

    Владата на ПАСОК најави остра и бескомпромисна пресметка со корупцијата, ставајќи ги мерките за нејзиното сузбивање и даночната реформа во врвот на стабилизациониот пакет, но Констатниос Бакурис за Би-Би-Си вели дека не верува во она што го ветува Владата на Папандреу.

    Истото тоа го ветуваа пред неа и другите грчки владини администрации, постигнувајќи притоа само делумни резултати, забележува Бакурис.

    Министерот за финансии Георгиос Папаконстантину, меѓутоа, тврди дека тоа „овој пат нема да се случи“ и дека новата Влада ќе истрае на своите остри стабилизациони мерки.

    Според Би-Би-Си, Владата во Атина и не може поинаку затоа што ситуацијата во земјата е драматично влошена. Долгот на Грција сега го надминува годишниот БДП на земјата. Тој е повеќе од четири пати повисок од максимално дозволениот и толериран долг во рамките на еврозоната, а земјата има драстичен пад на нејзиниот кредитен рејтинг.

    МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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    • Silver
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 85

      Originally posted by Pelister View Post
      You practically had an entire geneaology of our Greek/Vlach descent worked out at Maknews.

      If you feel that you do not need to be honest, then you're a lying bastard which is what I suspected from the start anyway.

      Keep my personal details out of the forum. I don't know who you are, and I don't really care, but using personal names of people who choose to have a forum name without their consent or permission is crossing a confidential line. If you want to talk to me on a personal level, PM me.

      I am no big patriot and I am no big intellectual - I don't even come close. Its people like BC, SoM, RTG, Prolet, Bratot, Osiris, TM, Daskalot, Phoenix, Indigen and so many others who feel enormous pride about being Macedonians and want to defend our position. My faith in Macedonians has been shaken by these negotiations, by UMD and those like them. And its no secret that I am frustrated by the lunacy of it all.

      But I can see when the Macedonian people are being royally skrewed over by people like yourself. By the tiny group of men and women who speak for them, speak on behalf of them in international and political forums - and are ever ready to stab them in the back. By those who fully back all the current structures and frameworks that have put impossible terms to the Macedonians, terms put to them by Greece and backed by Europe and NATO. The slavish worship of these institutions at UMD is neaseating.

      As for your bullshit views (As Dzog "the Greek of Vlach descent") that the Macedonian people need not be consulted, or asked whether they want their historical identity negotiatined in the first place - you can go fk yourself - because if they were actually asked tommorrow whether they want this to continue or not the answer would be 'No'.

      You took particular care to make sure you had a few digs at me personally while I was being censored at Maknews for my criticism of UMD. I won't forget what you did, whoever you claim to be.
      Never give up Pelister, Macedonia needs you!

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      • Pelister
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2742

        Originally posted by Buktop View Post
        Do you have Proof?
        I think that I can post Meto Koloski's statement that Macedonia "MUST MODIFY ITS NAME" ... a thousand times, along with all of the others, it won't make any different to you or the others at UMD. Denial is a sure sign there is no way out for you and UMD. The way you and UMD are handling this suggests the writing is on the wall. UMD's efforts to attack its critics by censoring them won't help them overcome these historical policy blunders. Sure they can throw other peoples money around, but how far will that get them? Denying that the President and Vice-president of UMD did not say those things means that any policy shift or policy change at UMD, if it was ever possible is now almost certainly never to happen.

        The only alternative is for the President and Vice-President to resign, to be replaced by someone like Jordan.

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        • UMDiaspora.org
          Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 525

          UMD Welcomes Macedonia’s Contribution to Haiti Relief Effort



          WASHINGTON, D.C. – January 21, 2010 – United Macedonian Diaspora (UMD) welcomes the decision of the Republic of Macedonia today to send $100,000 to assist the victims of Haiti’s devastating earthquake. Macedonia’s government also announced that additionally it will send a medical team to Haiti to directly assist the victims. Recently, the Republic of Macedonia’s capital city, Skopje, announced its intention to send another 25,000 Euros to Haiti.

          “We are proud that, as a member of the international community, Macedonia is doing its part to bring relief to the people of Haiti,” stated UMD President Metodija A. Koloski. “Macedonians deeply sympathize with the plight of the Haitian people.”

          Last week, UMD encouraged its membership and Macedonians throughout the world to donate to relief efforts for Haiti. According to current estimates, the devastating earthquake in Haiti has left up to 200,000 dead and almost 3 million homeless.
          For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

          United Macedonian Diaspora
          http://www.umdiaspora.org

          1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
          Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

          PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
          Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

          3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
          Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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          • UMDiaspora.org
            Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 525

            UMD President to Speak at Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand

            Public Talk (23 Feb, 2010), 3:30 pm.

            Metodija Koloski, President, United Macedonian Diaspora.
            “Integrating Macedonia into Global Institutions: The Role of the Macedonian Diaspora.” Since gaining independence in 1991, the Republic of Macedonia has transformed itself from a one party socialist state to a vibrant democracy and resilient economy. Macedonia is now qualified to join NATO, the EU and engage with the Asia-Pacific in search for a sustainable future. The Macedonian diaspora in Australia, Europe, and North America has played an important role in this transformation and repositioning.

            The talk will place in the Wood Seminar Room (Old Kirk room 406). It is free and open to the public.

            For more information, click: http://www.victoria.ac.nz/antipodean...ng-events.aspx
            For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

            United Macedonian Diaspora
            http://www.umdiaspora.org

            1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
            Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

            PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
            Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

            3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
            Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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            • Phoenix
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 4671

              Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
              Public Talk (23 Feb, 2010), 3:30 pm.

              Metodija Koloski, President, United Macedonian Diaspora.
              “Integrating Macedonia into Global Institutions: The Role of the Macedonian Diaspora.”
              Sounds like quite an appropriate theme Meto, it will provide a golden and timely opportunity for you to set the record straight, considering the recent debates on here and other forums regarding UMD's previous statements.

              Meto, choose your words very carefully...there's going to be many interested listeners and viewers...

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              • Buktop
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 934

                Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                I'm fully aware of article 8, Charlatan. You need to learn some key concepts before you start interpreting constitutions. Have you taken your idiotic theories to a law professor or political philosopher yet?
                They are not theories when the actual article exists, and is followed by a government, get that through your thick skull...
                "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                Never once say you walk upon your final way
                though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                Our long awaited hour will draw near
                and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                • Buktop
                  Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 934

                  Originally posted by Pelister View Post
                  I think that I can post Meto Koloski's statement that Macedonia "MUST MODIFY ITS NAME" ... a thousand times, along with all of the others, it won't make any different to you or the others at UMD. Denial is a sure sign there is no way out for you and UMD. The way you and UMD are handling this suggests the writing is on the wall. UMD's efforts to attack its critics by censoring them won't help them overcome these historical policy blunders. Sure they can throw other peoples money around, but how far will that get them? Denying that the President and Vice-president of UMD did not say those things means that any policy shift or policy change at UMD, if it was ever possible is now almost certainly never to happen.

                  The only alternative is for the President and Vice-President to resign, to be replaced by someone like Jordan.
                  Should I re-post all of Rogi's and TM's responses to those quotes that you so conveniently ignored?
                  "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                  Never once say you walk upon your final way
                  though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                  Our long awaited hour will draw near
                  and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                  • Prolet
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 5241

                    Phoenix, You make a good point but just remember one thing. Its not what somebody says as we all know we've had many sweet talkers in our time, its what they promise and deliver this is what counts.
                    МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                    • Boge
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 157

                      Zimi sve najmilo vie ne ste salam. Abe so kur ve boli koga ima organizacija so pokazuva inicijativa da odi duri do novi zeland. Pa vie ne ste salam, bogami ova e glupo. Aj da se soberime i nije barem da odime so nasata organizacija.

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                      • Vangelovski
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 8531

                        Charlatan,

                        Have you taken your idiotic theories to a law professor or political philosopher yet?
                        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                        • Prolet
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 5241

                          Boge, Poleka ne se nerviraj tolku, oti si tolku nervozen?
                          МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                          • Buktop
                            Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 934

                            Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                            Charlatan,

                            Have you taken your idiotic theories to a law professor or political philosopher yet?
                            Article 8 exists, Rogi has taken the privilege of asking the law professors, political philosopher's and actual lawyers, but you ignored this when he so graciously posted the relevant articles of the constitution because you were too busy speaking of theories and philosophy, you forgot about actual practice and reality.

                            Would you like me to refer you to the relevant quotes?
                            "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                            Never once say you walk upon your final way
                            though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                            Our long awaited hour will draw near
                            and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                            • Dzog
                              Junior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 37

                              Your name is not confidential when it is written in your profile and available to the public.

                              I'm not going to answer any of you in substance as I have discredited myself enough on this thread in an attempt to make a point which I'm sure none of you got. I'll avoid making personal commentary in the future.
                              Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici

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                              • Vangelovski
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 8531

                                Originally posted by Buktop View Post
                                Article 8 exists, Rogi has taken the privilege of asking the law professors, political philosopher's and actual lawyers, but you ignored this when he so graciously posted the relevant articles of the constitution because you were too busy speaking of theories and philosophy, you forgot about actual practice and reality.

                                Would you like me to refer you to the relevant quotes?
                                Please Charlatan, tell us again who Rogi asked. You seem to know more about what Rogi did than Rogi himself.

                                Have you taken YOUR idiotic theories to a law professor or political philosopher yet?

                                If you can't remember what YOUR idiotic theory was, go back and read the thread.

                                Once we've established that first point, then we can continue the discussion.
                                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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