United Macedonia Diaspora

[vodenka]

Originally Posted by George S.

vodenka if that is true then a lot of people may be able to get their lands back.

Many Macedonians "lost" their property when they were cancelled from the municipality records (a practise used also in the Soviet Union countries for dissidents) because they left Greece with their families during the civil war, to save themselves. In these cases there are no court verdicts that say their land was confiscated by the state. These properties in Greece are considered abbandoned, but as the people who were owners of these properties were not allowed to come back to Greece, Greece not only must give back the property (or give some compensation) but most probably it will need to pay a compensation to the owners also because it did not allow to this people to administrate their property, all these past years.
As for the confiscated properties, the greek constitution does protect private property and it is not possible by the state to confiscate anything, except maybe for debts to the state (taxes).
If there was a serious organization of Macedonians from Egejska with this kind of problems, and good lawyers, even abroad, they could get a successful result. Now that Macedonians are allowed to get to their villages and cities and collect documents, it is even easier.

[julie]

Originally Posted by vodenka

The Greeks lied! Nothing is distroyed or lost. Everything is registered but they do not give documents, by order of a government top secret circular letter to the state authorities, in some regions. As about the greek citizenship and greek birth certificates which they "do not find", is because they cancelled names from the Municipal registry, but births, marriages, baptisms and deaths are all registered in other, older books. Nothing is lost.

Please tell me WHERE so I can help my mother!!!!!!
seems she has been stripped of her greek citizenship !

[AMHRC]

Originally Posted by julie

Please tell me WHERE so I can help my mother!!!!!!
seems she has been stripped of her greek citizenship !

Julie, yesterday we gained legal advice that your mother has in fact been stripped of her citizenship. This probably means that to get it back, she will need to join the legal action we organised together with the Macedonian begaltsi in Skopje, on behalf of Macedonians who have been stripped of their citizenship and property rights.

If it comes to that, don't worry, we will add your mother to the list of applicants - we will be in touch over the next few days.

Pozdrav.

[Daskalot]

So only Greek citizens may pass the border crossing into Greece?

[AMHRC]

Originally Posted by Daskalot

So only Greek citizens may pass the border crossing into Greece?

No, Velika not being allowed in has nothing to do with her not having Greek citizenship - it is purely an act of negative ethnic discrimination on the part of the Greek authorities.

The stripping of her Greek citizenship is a separate issue and if it absolutely turns out to be the case (which is how it looks on the legal advice we received yesterday) then to regain that, Velika will need to consider joining the legal action we (the AMHRC, MHRMI and Detsa Begaltsi Steering Committee based in Skopje) organised against Greece, on behalf of all those Macedonians who have been stripped of both their citizenship and property rights. But please note, these are two separate issues.

[julie]

Originally Posted by AMHRC

Julie, yesterday we gained legal advice that your mother has in fact been stripped of her citizenship. This probably means that to get it back, she will need to join the legal action we organised together with the Macedonian begaltsi in Skopje, on behalf of Macedonians who have been stripped of their citizenship and property rights.

If it comes to that, don't worry, we will add your mother to the list of applicants - we will be in touch over the next few days.

Pozdrav.

Thank you, once again AMHRC

I don't understand how an 8 year old travelling under her mother's passport into RoM gets stripped of Greek citizenship, ludicrous, especially seeing she has no political involvement with any party whatsoever, and never has had, having an aversion to it as a result of the family splitting during the civil war

[George S.]

I think the australian govt should react somehow??They can't just ignore it.Speak to bob Carr.

[julie]

George, once again

I have spent a total of 9 hours all up on the phone with the Australian government.
They dont give a f#@$n shit
I think I already made this clear?
As the AMHRC has also made clear apalling behaviour by Dept foreign affairs

What in God's name will Bob Carr do? Aside from bend over some grk ass

[United MKD]

Sorry to hear Julie, so damn sad and frustrating. Well done to AMHRC, without them we'd have nothing.

[julie]

Originally Posted by United MKD

Sorry to hear Julie, so damn sad and frustrating. Well done to AMHRC, without them we'd have nothing.

Absolutely, AMHRC I have always said, and will always continue to say, do an amazing job for us oppressed Macedonians

Thanks United MKD