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  • Philosopher
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1003

    #76
    Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
    Would he also say that 'religion is the opiate of the masses'? I don't think so. He taught compassion, mercy and giving from one's own belongings, but not socialism. There is a big difference between freely giving what one has decided to give and having the state nationalise private property by force and redistributing it.
    One of the most fundamental errors made by socialists and communists is the exploitation of Christianity. The idea that Jesus, his teachings, or the teachings of the early church was consistent with socialism is chimerical nonsense.

    As you rightly point out, the New Testament message is about individuals freely giving to charity what rightfully belongs to them, not the government forcing you at the barrel of a gun to give what you own to the wise rulers of the state.

    Socialism and communism, essentially kissing cousins, are about compulsory theft.

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    • 777Bitola
      Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 103

      #77
      Originally posted by Gocka View Post

      I'm curious if you dont mind sharing. How did Obamacare directly cost you and people you know your jobs? Not that I doubt its true, I am genuinely curious.
      Because companies HAD to provide benefits and health insurance to anyone working at least 31 hours, regardless of weather they need it or not. This caused a lot of places to cut peoples hours working a weed by in half, I ended up working 40 hours a week down to 20 a week and it was by far the best job I've held.

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      • Vangelovski
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 8531

        #78
        Originally posted by 777Bitola View Post
        Because companies HAD to provide benefits and health insurance to anyone working at least 31 hours, regardless of weather they need it or not. This caused a lot of places to cut peoples hours working a weed by in half, I ended up working 40 hours a week down to 20 a week and it was by far the best job I've held.
        Government...telling people what's good for them since the welfare state began.
        If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

        The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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        • Vangelovski
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 8531

          #79
          Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
          Socialism and communism, essentially kissing cousins, are about compulsory theft.
          You wouldn't be able to implement them any other way.
          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15658

            #80


            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • DraganOfStip
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 1253

              #81
              ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
              ― George Orwell

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              • Vangelovski
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 8531

                #82
                "I'd rather line up for hours to buy stale bread, live in a dilapidated one-bedroom apartment with now power, running water or sewage, be abused by hospital staff, put up with the whims of corrupt bureaucrats and be told by the state what to believe and how to behave than live in a well-ordered and prosperous society where my human and civil rights are largely respected".

                ~No one (1848-2015)
                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                • 777Bitola
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 103

                  #83
                  He has good ideas but the biggest thing throwing me off is that he admitted the wealthy could be taxed up to 90%. Now I admit I'm not wealthy, but I work hard every day to try and become the top 1% and in 5-10 years or in my early 30s I'd hope to be that way , so this definetly discourages me with voting for him.

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                  • Gocka
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2306

                    #84
                    In your view, how much do you need to earn on a yearly basis, or accumulate in wealth to be considered part of the top 1% 5% 10% 20% AND 30%.

                    I commented on this above somewhere. People naively think that even if they become successful that they will be part of the top 1%, not realizing that what they have in mind probably doesn't even put them in the top 30% let alone the top 1%.

                    Originally posted by 777Bitola View Post
                    He has good ideas but the biggest thing throwing me off is that he admitted the wealthy could be taxed up to 90%. Now I admit I'm not wealthy, but I work hard every day to try and become the top 1% and in 5-10 years or in my early 30s I'd hope to be that way , so this definetly discourages me with voting for him.

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                    • Gocka
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 2306

                      #85
                      Sounds like a great theory, what page can I find that on?

                      Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                      "I'd rather line up for hours to buy stale bread, live in a dilapidated one-bedroom apartment with now power, running water or sewage, be abused by hospital staff, put up with the whims of corrupt bureaucrats and be told by the state what to believe and how to behave than live in a well-ordered and prosperous society where my human and civil rights are largely respected".

                      ~No one (1848-2015)

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                      • Gocka
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 2306

                        #86
                        After you explain to me why we can only do things that have already been done, and tell me what the world would be like if man kind had always used that mentality?

                        Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                        Can you provide an example or not?

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                        • Gocka
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 2306

                          #87
                          Interesting.

                          Obama care only requires employers to offer health insurance, if you dont think you need it you dont have to accept and the employer doesn't have to give it to you.

                          So the company basically made everyone part time to avoid having to offer health insurance?

                          Originally posted by 777Bitola View Post
                          Because companies HAD to provide benefits and health insurance to anyone working at least 31 hours, regardless of weather they need it or not. This caused a lot of places to cut peoples hours working a weed by in half, I ended up working 40 hours a week down to 20 a week and it was by far the best job I've held.

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                          • DraganOfStip
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 1253

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                            Sounds like a great theory, what page can I find that on?
                            I believe it's on page 34 of "The Misinformed Citizen 101",where socialism/communism and social democracy are apparently labeled as the one and same thing.
                            On the other hand,I am yet to see a Finn,Dane,Swede or Norwegian waiting for hours to buy stale bread, living in a dilapidated one-bedroom apartment with no power, running water or sewage, being abused by hospital staff, putting up with the whims of corrupt bureaucrats and being told by the state what to believe and how to behave.
                            But that's just my experience anyway.
                            Last edited by DraganOfStip; 09-21-2015, 02:52 PM.
                            ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                            ― George Orwell

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                            • George S.
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10116

                              #89
                              Itsnot woeking well in macedonia.They are hell bent on giviving minorities rights.
                              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                              GOTSE DELCEV

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                              • Vangelovski
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 8531

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                                After you explain to me why we can only do things that have already been done, and tell me what the world would be like if man kind had always used that mentality?
                                Its not a question of only doing things that have been done before. Its a question of your suggestion working in practice. I gave you an example from Australia. There are many other examples across the world. So it has been tried unsuccessfully. Can you provide an example where it has been successful?
                                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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