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Old 11-29-2012, 08:31 PM   #6611
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You must copy and paste the full sentence Lad! I did not call them Names.
"if they work to Deny the existence of our Name, People, our language and our Lands, NO they are not, that would make them Traitors to the Macedonian Soul"
Chiche, the context is there for everyone to see.

There are no if's and but's. You just did exactly what you have spent weeks lecturing us about - calling people who work against Macedonian freedom traitors. If there was still someone out there that hadn't realised you are a fool yet, I think they've well and truly come to that conclusion now.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:24 PM   #6612
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Chiche, the context is there for everyone to see.

There are no if's and but's. You just did exactly what you have spent weeks lecturing us about - calling people who work against Macedonian freedom traitors. If there was still someone out there that hadn't realised you are a fool yet, I think they've well and truly come to that conclusion now.
I thank you for your comments, your attitude towards me and so called other "Fence Sitters" is not conducive to good relations amongst Macedonian People. A person who works against the best interests of our people is a TRAITOR!!!!! a PERSON WHO PUSHES AWAY Macedonians who are of good Heart can also be considered a TRAITOR!!! Open up that Educated Mind of yours and allow it to absorb other peoples opinions, you do not have to agree with them, Just Listen! Reply in a civilized way. A Fool is a person who does not listen, not a person who does not agree. A Macedonian can be a Traitor and still be Macedonian-Just a despicable one!!! Opp's Name calling
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:39 PM   #6613
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I thank you for your comments, your attitude towards me and so called other "Fence Sitters" is not conducive to good relations amongst Macedonian People. A person who works against the best interests of our people is a TRAITOR!!!!! a PERSON WHO PUSHES AWAY Macedonians who are of good Heart can also be considered a TRAITOR!!! Open up that Educated Mind of yours and allow it to absorb other peoples opinions, you do not have to agree with them, Just Listen! Reply in a civilized way. A Fool is a person who does not listen, not a person who does not agree. A Macedonian can be a Traitor and still be Macedonian-Just a despicable one!!! Opp's Name calling
Chiche, you name called, accept it and deal with it and stop pretending that you have some logical explanation for it. Even better, show us how you will unite with Victor - we're still waiting for that one.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:28 PM   #6614
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Well done Vangelovski, show the world how petty you can be!!
Victor as you have named him seems to be a moderate type of Macedonian, some of his ideas I may not agree with but as far as I am concerned we have created an environment of Mutual Respect, We have United. Does that explanation suit you Lad??????

The UMD SAGA!!!!! To my virgin eyes, it appears, it is more of a personal problem amongst a group of people who were once united! We all make mistakes, do we condemn all who err to the Anti-Macedonian scrap heap?? If we do there will be no one left, even you my friend, Vangelovski.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:00 AM   #6615
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chche yes how are you going to convert victor.Don't forget you are on a forum & we all have to follow forum etiquette..I think people that want & say they want a change for the better might have some hope.But they would be in a far more worse condition if they are trying to hoodwink us with pretend games..Chiche this cxould be the hour of redemtion if you fail then you'll let the others down if you succeed you may be some knind of hero.No one said the road to saving macedonia is an easy one.We have to be all united for the common good.The cause & being focused on it have their part to play,Also converting the mindset to a freedom from tyranny & slavery plays its part.
Tom has given you a lot of good ideas & suggestions That you could adopt & use in your conversion of victor.
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Old 11-30-2012, 05:00 AM   #6616
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Well done Vangelovski, show the world how petty you can be!!
Victor as you have named him seems to be a moderate type of Macedonian, some of his ideas I may not agree with but as far as I am concerned we have created an environment of Mutual Respect, We have United. Does that explanation suit you Lad??????

The UMD SAGA!!!!! To my virgin eyes, it appears, it is more of a personal problem amongst a group of people who were once united! We all make mistakes, do we condemn all who err to the Anti-Macedonian scrap heap?? If we do there will be no one left, even you my friend, Vangelovski.
Chiche, Victor is his name. Don't tell me you've "united" with someone whose name you don't even know?

What exactly have you united over with Victor? What is this common cause you have in relation to Macedonia?

Your eyes are indeed virgin eyes Chiche, and not only when it comes to the UMD. You should expose them to some research and clear thinking.
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Vangelovski, my dear Lad,

1. Yes I know his name is Victor, and I do not wish to "convert him". United we are in the sence that we both agree many on this forum are rude and abusive. We are respectful of each others opinions, and may not agree on some but to date, have not had time, to have 'tea and cake' together to discuss issues relating to Macedonia.

2. The UMD, the methods this group uses to help the Macedonian people may be questionable or moderate in my eyes but are in no way anti-Macedonian. The UMD acceptance of the current flag and the current Government policies ARE NOT the actions of traitors. Those who have Ultimate control over Macedonia, the UN, EU and the USA ARE THOSE THAT FORCE the Macedonian government to accept those unacceptable agreements with the Albanians. If we all are Anti-EU/UN/USA we would have no friends, so some of us must play the game. Macedonia needs friends, and unity amongst it's own people, Macedonia has a Role for all of us to Play.

3. I am and never have been a Member of the UMD.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:26 PM   #6618
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Vangelovski, my dear Lad,

1. Yes I know his name is Victor, and I do not wish to "convert him". United we are in the sence that we both agree many on this forum are rude and abusive. We are respectful of each others opinions, and may not agree on some but to date, have not had time, to have 'tea and cake' together to discuss issues relating to Macedonia.

2. The UMD, the methods this group uses to help the Macedonian people may be questionable or moderate in my eyes but are in no way anti-Macedonian. The UMD acceptance of the current flag and the current Government policies ARE NOT the actions of traitors. Those who have Ultimate control over Macedonia, the UN, EU and the USA ARE THOSE THAT FORCE the Macedonian government to accept those unacceptable agreements with the Albanians. If we all are Anti-EU/UN/USA we would have no friends, so some of us must play the game. Macedonia needs friends, and unity amongst it's own people, Macedonia has a Role for all of us to Play.

3. I am and never have been a Member of the UMD.
Chiche, your hypocrisy grows by the day. The term 'lad' is name calling.

You said you had come to an understanding with Victor about policy over Macedonia. Now you claim you haven't. You came on here to lecture us about uniting with our ideological opposites. This is the last time I will tell you to show us how with Victor.

Acceptance of the ventilator is treason and it has been explained why ad nausea on this forum and many other places. If you are that daft as to not know why, read up on it here. If you don't accept this fact, then you are either a traitor yourself or you have an intellectual deficiency. I'm going with intellectual deficiency.

No one has forced Macedonia to accept the ventilator or the Interim Accord. The history of the Interim Accord and Macedonia's pathetic capitulation is well documented. Again, expose those "virgin eye's" of yours to some research.

If you really want to help, you should probably stop posting until you actually obtain a basic understanding of Macedonian affairs, because reading the same old uninformed dribble gets pretty frustrating after a while. You'd save many forum members the daily headache you provide us with
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Bre Dete, you are not willing to play the Game

To think that Macedonia's Destiny is in her own Hands is Naive to say the Least.

Macedonia's hands are tied at the moment re the Albanian Infestation, it's hands will be free soon, many lives will be lost!! Albanian, Serb and Macedonian, the Albanian Terorists will be wiped out, the peace loving ethic Albanians of Macedonia and Serbia will live in Peace with us.
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Bre Dete, you are not willing to play the Game

To think that Macedonia's Destiny is in her own Hands is Naive to say the Least.

Macedonia's hands are tied at the moment re the Albanian Infestation, it's hands will be free soon, many lives will be lost!! Albanian, Serb and Macedonian, the Albanian Terorists will be wiped out, the peace loving ethic Albanians of Macedonia and Serbia will live in Peace with us.
Chiche, you are now moving into crack snorting territory. Please refrain from taking drugs prior to or during posting on the MTO.

'Bre dete', is yet another name call. You're racking up those hypocrisy points.
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