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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    Hungary and the EU

    Tens of thousands of people protest against Hungary's controversial new constitution introduced by the governing centre-right Fidesz party.

    Tens of thousands of people have been protesting in Budapest over Hungary's controversial new constitution, a day after it came into force.

    The country's governing Fidesz party pushed the law through parliament in April after winning a two-thirds majority in parliamentary elections.

    Opponents say it threatens democracy by removing checks and balances set up in 1989 when Communism fell.

    The EU and US had also asked for the law to be withdrawn.

    The dispute has cast doubt over talks on a new financing agreement with the EU and IMF, seen as vital for market confidence in the central European country.

    But the economic crisis facing Hungary overshadows both the government's policies and the opposition protests, says the BBC's Nick Thorpe in Budapest.

    Fidesz won the elections promising to create a million workplaces - but there has been no growth so far.

    And as the public mood worsens, so do the country's ratings, and the chances of attracting foreign investment, and creating more jobs, our correspondent says.

    'Darkest spot'

    Several centre-left opposition parties joined in the protests on Monday evening, held near a gala event organised by the government to celebrate the new constitution.

    Protesters chanted slogans denouncing the centre-right Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, and carried placards denouncing his "dictatorship" as officials arrived for the event.

    "Viktor Orban and his servants turned Hungary from a promising place to the darkest spot in Europe," said Socialist MP Tibor Szanyi, quoted by AFP news agency.

    Aspects of the new constitution and accompanying laws which have come in for criticism include:

    A preamble committed to defending the intellectual and spiritual unity of the nation, which experts warn could be a future source of tension
    The inclusion of social issues - like the rights of the unborn child, marriage between a man and a woman, and the definition of life sentences - which critics argue should be left to ethical debates within society
    The rewriting of the electoral system, in a way which opponents say favours Fidesz
    But Fidesz says the new constitution, or basic law, improves the legal framework of life in Hungary.

    "Despite political debates we think it is an important value that for the first time, a freely elected parliament created the Basic Law," said Fidesz MP Gergely Gulyas, quoted by the Reuters news agency.

    Mr Gulyas co-wrote the new law and shepherded it through parliament.

    According to a December opinion poll, popular support for Fidesz has fallen to 18%, although it still leads the other parties.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
  • Komita
    Member
    • May 2009
    • 243

    #2
    100,000 people against EU



    It's a croatian online newspaper, you will never see these articles in macedonian press, because our media doesn't want our people to read real news that are affected by people living in the EU.
    The hungarian people had a demonstration yesterday against EU in the capital and 100,000 hungarians attended and their premier held a speech telling the crowd they don't want to be, or going to be a colony under EU.
    So while the macedonian government and people are saying they only have one alternative in life others are awakening, kudos to the hungarian people.

    Foe those that don't read croat, just use google translate.
    Слава му на Бога за се

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    • Onur
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 2389

      #3
      Not only in Macedonian press, you cannot see such events in any mainstream media channel all over the world. I am sure that this protestation was not even covered on Hungarian mainstream media either.

      Hungarians are protesting against EU because they approved their new constitution few months ago and the crooks in Brussels accused them by pursuing nationalistic goals. And more recently, EU stopped all the transfers of EU funds from ECB to Hungary as a punishment to them. So yes, while billions are getting funneled to the Greece, Hungary cannot get a penny from EU for some time.

      Few months ago, when Hungarian PM gone to the EU parliament, all the globalists in Brussels bullied him.

      Here is a video from EU official news channel;
      Hungary's Orban gets frosty reception in Strasbourg - YouTube


      Nigel Farage`s speech after Hungarian PM gets bullied;
      Farage: Meet your new Soviet overlords, Mr Orbán - YouTube

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      • Onur
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 2389

        #4
        Here are some pictures and quotes from the protestation. Ofc from the Hungarian alternative media on the web;




        The Fidesz government is the successor of the 1848 revolutionary government. Hungary has to rotate around its own axis and shouldn't let others to dictate or interfere with the internal affairs and the new constitution of the country.

        "Since 1848, we have never been so close to freedom"; we are the political and intellectual heirs of the 1848 government, as the political program of the revolutionary government looked like the program of today's Hungarian government: "We will not be a colony!"

        "The Hungarian government couldn't have stood up to international pressure without the support of hundreds of thousands of citizens making crystal clear that they won't give up their new Constitution," referring to the pressure coming from the European Union and the support of the people given to the government by staging a mass demonstration a month ago.

        "We understand that Europe has lots of problems", like the euro crisis, but we also claim equal treatment in the European Union -- we won't be second-class citizens" said the prime minister.

        "Today, we are strong enough to attain freedom and independence." Freedom means "we won't live our lives as debt slaves," and "we shall adopt our own laws." "We write our constitution and we do not need foreigners to tell us what to do."

        "We want Hungary to rotate around its own axis and we will defend our constitution" said Orbán, then the crowd started chanting: "we defend it". Nobody is perfect so we also made mistakes, but "no one can dispute that we Hungarians advanced freedom around the world".

        "Financial independence is the condition of liberty" said Orbán; it is not surprising that in 1848, the revolutionary government already demanded the freedom of the National Bank and its role to protect the national economy from foreign influences."

        Modern colonists conquer their victims "like when the clueless frog is boiled by gradually heating the water in the pot." “Hungarians suckered into fraudulent mortgage schemes that almost cooked them, but at the last minute we jumped off the pot."

        http://www.hungarianambiance.com/201...lights-at.html

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        • Onur
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 2389

          #5
          Btw, there was an even bigger demonstration against EU two months ago. Around 400.000 people showed up in Budapest but this was also completely ignored by media. Only Russia Today and Iranian Presstv reported it;

          Hungary for change - YouTube
          Békemenet 2012 Time Lapse HD - YouTube

          The only report from mainstream media was from the pro-EU French Euronews channel. They totally ignored 100.000s of protestors and demonized them by calling as "far-right extremists" !!!;
          Hungary: Far-right burns EU flag and demands exit from bloc - YouTube

          The protest in Budapest showed that most Hungarians still support the government - why wasn't it reported?

          Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz1pHnqpKtS
          Last edited by Onur; 03-16-2012, 09:56 AM.

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          • George S.
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 10116

            #6
            the eu is not what people made it out to be.
            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
            GOTSE DELCEV

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            • Zarni
              Banned
              • May 2011
              • 672

              #7
              How can we feed this to the Macedonian media

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              • Onur
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 2389

                #8
                Originally posted by Zarni View Post
                How can we feed this to the Macedonian media
                You simply cant. I don't see such news in Turkish media either.

                All the international mainstream media all over the world are controlled or directly operated by the agents/servants of globalist elites. If a certain media channel is not serving for globalist interests, then they cannot reach wider audience and will always remain as alternative. Obeying to the elites is only way to reach wider audience for media channels.

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                • Brian
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1130

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Onur View Post
                  You simply cant. I don't see such news in Turkish media either.

                  All the international mainstream media all over the world are controlled or directly operated by the agents/servants of globalist elites. If a certain media channel is not serving for globalist interests, then they cannot reach wider audience and will always remain as alternative. Obeying to the elites is only way to reach wider audience for media channels.
                  Exactly right Onur. That is why I was defending alternate media when some MTO members were calling it 'kooky'.

                  People need to look at the at alternate media to find the truth but also need to be careful with some people/organisations in alternate media who have negative alternate agendas to blur/hide the truth or dissuade people from turning to alternate media by deliberately doing kooky stuff there to make people think all alternate media is kooky.

                  Macedonia (and all countries) needs a good alternate media even if it's on the net and only does a small weekly publication.
                  Last edited by Brian; 03-16-2012, 02:12 PM.

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                  • George S.
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10116

                    #10
                    the eu hasn't quite worked out as people have expected al it has acieved is huge debts for the members with no way of paying back the huge debts.People are wondering whether it was worth it?
                    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                    GOTSE DELCEV

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                    • Komita
                      Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 243

                      #11
                      Oh I love western values and media. Everybody that doesn't agree with their new world order and values are far-right, nazi, fascist or racist.
                      Слава му на Бога за се

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                      • Zarni
                        Banned
                        • May 2011
                        • 672

                        #12
                        add Nationalist and Ultra Nationalist Komita but that seems to be warped in meaning by the Western Media namely CCN and BBC in the 90's who first started coining the term it also is reserved only for a select set of people to demonise

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                        • Soldier of Macedon
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 13670

                          #13
                          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ld-2021-06-25/

                          BRUSSELS, June 25 (Reuters) - Respect LGBT rights or leave the European Union, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told Hungary's premier as EU leaders confronted Viktor Orban over a law that bans schools from using materials seen as promoting homosexuality. Several EU summit participants spoke of the most intense personal clash among the bloc's leaders in years on Thursday night. "It was really forceful, a deep feeling that this could not be. It was about our values; this is what we stand for," Rutte told reporters on Friday. "I said 'Stop this, you must withdraw the law and, if you don't like that and really say that the European values are not your values, then you must think about whether to remain in the European Union'." French President Emmanuel Macron called it a "cultural battle", acknowledging a deepening rift with increasingly assertive illiberal leaders that is hurting EU cohesion. "To fight against homophobic laws is to defend individual freedoms and human dignity," he said, adding that Hungary should remain a member of the EU. Unless it rows back, Hungary faces a legal challenge at the EU's highest court. Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel said Orban should also be subject to an as-yet untested procedure to cut EU funding for those who violate rules. The new mechanism was introduced as closely aligned conservative governments in Poland and Hungary have shielded one another for years from sanctions under existing measures to protect EU democratic and human rights values. The provisions for schools have been included in a law primarily aimed at protecting children from paedophiles, a link that Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo described as "primitive". Orban, who has been Hungary's prime minister since 2010 and faces an election next year, has become more conservative and combative in promoting what he says are traditional Catholic values under pressure from the liberal West. Describing himself as a "freedom fighter", Orban told reporters before the meeting that the law was not an attack on gay people but aimed at guaranteeing parents' right to decide on their children's sexual education. The EU is pushing Orban to repeal the law - the latest in a string of restrictive policies towards media, judges, academics and migrants. Seventeen of the 27 EU leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, signed a joint letter reaffirming their commitment to protecting gay rights. "We all made it very clear which fundamental values we adhere to," Merkel said. She said she shared Macron's assessment that some EU countries have "very different ideas" about Europe. Bettel, who is openly gay, said the only country other than Poland to support Orban in the discussion was Slovenia, whose prime minister has also been accused of undermining the independence of the media. Bettel said it was time for Brussels to test its new procedure: "Most of the time, money is more convincing than talk."
                          It's exactly this type of pretentiousness, like thinking they have the right to define "European values", that makes millions of people in Europe feel uneasy about the direction of the EU. These western eurocrats are seemingly prepared to go all out on this issue, even if it means threatening the political unity of their mega-fiefdom.
                          https://www.euronews.com/2021/06/24/...-hungarian-law

                          The list of signatories reflects a marked West-East divide: Emmanuel Macron (France), Angela Merkel (Germany), Alexander De Croo (Belgium), Mark Rutte (Netherlands), Micheál Martin (Ireland), Mette Frederiksen (Denmark), Sanna Marin (Finland), Stefan Löfven (Sweden), Mario Draghi (Italy), Robert Abela (Malta), Kyriakos Mitsotakis (Greece) and Nikos Anastasiades (Cyprus). The only representatives from Eastern Europe are Kaja Kallas, from Estonia, and Arturs Krišjānis Kariņš, from Latvia. Notably missing in the initial document was Sebastian Kurz, the Austrian Federal Chancellor. On Monday, Austria chose to join a critical statement that explicitly denounced Hungary's new anti-LGBT law. That statement was also signed off by Lithuania, which also opted out from the new letter. However, Kurz added his signature to Thursday's letter after it was released. Malta and Cyprus, which were absent in the previous joint call, co-signed the new document, whose tone is significantly softer than Monday's censure. Portugal did not join either text because it currently holds the rotating six-month presidency of the Council of the EU and maintains a position of honest broker. However, the Southern country has made no secret of its stance. "It's important that the colours of the rainbow unites us in our diversity," Portugal's Secretary of State for European Affairs, Ana Paula Zacarias, said on Monday.
                          Interesting divide. Along with the Hungarians, Romanians and Spaniards, all of the countries which speak Slavic languages also refrained from signing the letter. Here are the parts of the new Hungarian law which the western eurocrats deem controversial.
                          https://www.euractiv.com/section/non...law-explained/

                          No content featuring portrayals of homosexuality or sex reassignment can be made available to minors – according to the text, “in order to reach the objectives set forth by the present law and to protect the rights of children, it is forbidden to make available for minors content that features any portrayal of sexuality as an end in itself, any deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex assigned at birth, sex reassignment, or promotion of homosexuality.”

                          School sex educators can no longer “promote” homosexuality or sex reassignment – “When educating students on sexual culture, sex life, sexual preferences, and sexual development, special emphasis shall be placed on following the provisions set forth by Article XVI paragraph (1) of the Fundamental Law. These activities cannot aim to promote deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex assigned at birth, sex reassignment, or homosexuality.”

                          Sexual education classes can only be held by registered organisations, limiting more liberal NGOs – Only organisations registered with a “state agency defined by law” may have (also registered) lectures in schools on sexual education, drug prevention, internet usage, or any other topics relating to mental and physical development. The law is pretty openly intended to exclude certain NGOs from education, the explanatory memorandum is clear: “Organisations of questionable professional credibility, created in many cases to represent certain sexual orientations,” are trying to “influence children’s sexual development with their so-called sensitivity trainings, causing severe damage to their physical, mental, and moral development.”

                          Restrictions on ads with LGBT content – As the explanatory memorandum states, the law “amends Act XLVIII. of 2008 on Business Advertising in such a way that makes it unlawful to broadcast an advertisement to minors if the advertisement portrays sexuality as an end in itself, or portrays or promotes deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex at birth, sex reassignment, or homosexuality. The amendment made to the Media Act makes sure that [any such programmes] must be rated Category V (not recommended for minors). Under the proposal, advertisements must also be rated.”
                          The above points seem to be based on shielding youngsters from being subjected to (or influenced by) the promotion of homosexuality and sex reassignment during their formative years. This is not controversial for most people in Europe, despite the way it is framed by these western eurocrats. Here is the EU letter.



                          Nobody would dispute that it's a fundamental right for all law-abiding people to live safely in their own countries. But it's also a fundamental right for parents to teach their children about life and values. The government should not be challenging decent parents for influence over children on such matters, particularly during their impressionable years. Schools are to teach language, math, commerce, history, etc. They're not supposed to be a mechanism to convince 10 year old kids to explore their "sexual orientation" or create doubt about their gender which never existed before. It's debatable whether parts of this Hungarian law may be misused by the Hungarian government, but the bigger (and more disturbing) issue is why western eurocrats are so insistent about imposing education pertaining to homosexuality and sex reassignment to children. Let kids be kids.
                          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                          • Karposh
                            Member
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 863

                            #14
                            They threatened to kick Hungary out of the EU?! So, what exactly did Orban do to warrant such talk? Did he invade Romania in a bid to regain Transylvania? Nope, he blasphemed against the LGBT agenda. There's no crime greater, these days, than the crime of not wholeheartedly embracing the LGBT movement. Embracing the "values" of today is to embrace the LGBT agenda. And, if you can't do that then you need to be promptly cancelled. People have lost and continue to lose their jobs over this sacred value. And, by the sounds of it, the powers that be are even prepared to cancel entire nations over these hallowed values of theirs. Hungary has committed the ultimate sin.

                            The Washington Post wrote an article on this, which I just skimmed over, and the tone was one of utter contempt for Orban. And for what? For daring to protect the impressionable minds of Hungarian children from this subversive propaganda which he is completely in his right to do as the leader of his nation. The article described the new Law that prohibits exposure of this sort of propaganda to kids as an attack on gays. How is it an attack on gays?

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                            • Risto the Great
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15658

                              #15
                              The law is pretty openly intended to exclude certain NGOs from education
                              Maybe this is the real problem. Funny how that would ensure the famous Hungarian Soros can't perform his "magic" in his very own birthplace.

                              Meanwhile Zaev is selling his family to find the plot at the end of the rainbow.
                              Risto the Great
                              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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