The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

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  • Carlin
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    • Dec 2011
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    Euboea = Evia
    Last edited by Carlin; 07-06-2018, 10:08 PM.

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    • TrueMacedonian
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 3810

      Originally posted by Areianos View Post
      Yes we had Roman refugees when the Roman capitals changed, then we had the germanic Goths, then we had the Bulgars, then we had the Slavs, we had settlers from the Vangarian Guard, we had settlers from Spanish Aargon knights, we had settlers from French knights, we had Venetian & Genoan traders settle there and then Turks and lastly Spanish jews.

      ...and we are stil here.
      And 70 pages later I wonder if he still feels like they are still here

      Reading older RtG posts made my sides split lol
      Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332




        "We believed ourselves, we thought, as Hellenes; Under the influence of the bishops of the Phanar, all local patriotism had disappeared within us; We have only dreamed of Hellenism; We have suffered, struggled, succumbed to the Great Idea.

        It was we who made Greece.

        These are our own, Grivas, Colettis, Marcos Botzaris, Tzavellas, Hadji Petros, Androutzos, Boucovallas, Diacos and Zervas, who have assured the triumph, and even Kolocotronis, the great Moraite, descend from a Vlach family emigrated to Morea."

        Thus speaks Apostol Margariti...


        URL - Apostol Mărgărit (Apostolos Margaritis):

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        • tchaiku
          Member
          • Nov 2016
          • 786

          Originally posted by Carlin View Post
          1) Anonymi Descriptio Europae orientalis. Imperium Constantinopolitanum, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Ruthenia, Ungaria, Polonia, Bohemia. Anno MCCCVIII exarata. Cracoviae, 1916: As per the anonymous traveler of Eastern Europe from the XIV century, it is stated that Vlachs (whom the author calls "Blasi"), are a numerous people living between Macedonia, Achaia and Salonika.

          2) Johann Thunmann, Untersuchungen uber die Geschichte der ostlichen europaischen Volker, I. Leipzig, 1774: The author states that Vlachs represent half the population of Thrace, and three quarters of inhabitants of Thessaly and Macedonia combined.

          3) Inhabitants of Greece through the eyes of various foreign visitors and travelers. Various regions/areas:

          "The once glorious Athens is so desolate that it seems incredible that it was once glorious. I, for one, did not see anywhere a more terrible place. Wilderness, swamps...." »DAramon, French ambassador.

          "The population of Samos is Turkish." Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo, envoy of the king of Castile, Henry III, the court of Tamerlane.

          "Eleusis is now a poor village with 1,200 inhabitants, mostly Albanians." - John Fulleylove MClymont JA, 1902.

          "The Albanians from Arcadia are three times more numerous than the Turks." » (The present state of the Morea called Peloponesus, Bernard Randolph, an English traveler, London, 1686).

          "Kos is inhabited by Turks." (Pierre Belon, a French physician and botanist, 1546.)

          "Mykonos.. It was almost uninhabited." Thevenot (1655).
          BUMP ...

          "The population of Samos is Turkish." Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo, envoy of the king of Castile, Henry III, the court of Tamerlane.


          Just Turkish?

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          • tchaiku
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            • Nov 2016
            • 786

            On Euboea 17th century -

            IT Lyes to the North of Boeotia extending North West and South East about 120 miles; Its Breadth, at the broadest place not above 30. It was taken from the Venetians in the year 1471. The soil is very fertile, affording all sorts of Graine, Wine, and Oyle, as likewise Flesh and Fowl; the Sea abounding with Fish. Since the Turks have had possession of it, most of the Greeks are Fled from the Villages, and Townes; So as the inland places are mostly supplyed by Al∣baneses[, who are the Shepherds, and serve the Turks at their Farmes. Formerly here were two Citys, and 500. Townes and Villages; Now there is but one, which can be called a City, which is the ancient Chalcis and now hath the name of the Island; by the Turks it is called Egriboz. It stands on a point of Land, having the Sea two Thirds about it. Betwixt it and the Maine is a small Island, with a strong Castle. From the Maine to the small Island is a bridge built up∣on six good Arches, and thence to the Maine

            Last edited by tchaiku; 07-23-2018, 05:10 PM.

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            • Carlin
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 3332

              Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
              On Euboea 17th century -

              IT Lyes to the North of Boeotia extending North West and South East about 120 miles; Its Breadth, at the broadest place not above 30. It was taken from the Venetians in the year 1471. The soil is very fertile, affording all sorts of Graine, Wine, and Oyle, as likewise Flesh and Fowl; the Sea abounding with Fish. Since the Turks have had possession of it, most of the Greeks are Fled from the Villages, and Townes; So as the inland places are mostly supplyed by Al∣baneses[, who are the Shepherds, and serve the Turks at their Farmes. Formerly here were two Citys, and 500. Townes and Villages; Now there is but one, which can be called a City, which is the ancient Chalcis and now hath the name of the Island; by the Turks it is called Egriboz. It stands on a point of Land, having the Sea two Thirds about it. Betwixt it and the Maine is a small Island, with a strong Castle. From the Maine to the small Island is a bridge built up∣on six good Arches, and thence to the Maine

              https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A...;view=fulltext


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              • Carlin
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                • Dec 2011
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                I'm not sure if it's only me but I am having issues with the forum lately. I keep getting kicked out, and need to log in over and over again.
                Last edited by Carlin; 07-23-2018, 10:06 PM.

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                • tchaiku
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                  • Nov 2016
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                  Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post

                  I'm not sure if it's only me but I am having issues with the forum lately. I keep getting kicked out, and need to log in over and over again.
                  Same.

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                  Sarakatsani and Vlachs could be found mainly in the mountainous areas in central and northern Euboea respectively, but nowadays they have abandoned the nomadic way of life and live permanently in the towns and villages across the island.


                  Last edited by tchaiku; 07-24-2018, 02:29 AM.

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                  • Om3n
                    Junior Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 46

                    Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
                    Same.
                    Did you tick the "Remember me." check box on the login page?

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                    • tchaiku
                      Member
                      • Nov 2016
                      • 786

                      Strabon writes "Thebes does not preserve the character even of a village." (9.2.5)" "In the province of Boeotia only two cities survived, of all the rest only ruins and names are left." (9.2.25)

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                      • tchaiku
                        Member
                        • Nov 2016
                        • 786

                        Originally posted by Carlin View Post
                        “The Greek geographer and historian Strabo (63 BCE-21 CE) described Greece as “a land entirely deserted; the depopulation begun since long continues. Roman soldiers camp in abandoned houses; Athens is populated by statues”.

                        Plutarch observed that “one would no longer find in Greece 3,000 hoplites [infantrymen].”

                        The historian Polybius (204-122 BCE) wrote: “One remarks nowadays all over Greece such a diminution in natality and in general manner such a depopulation that the towns are deserted and the fields lie fallow. Although this country has not been ravaged by wars or epidemics, the cause of the harm is evident: by avarice or cowardice the people, if they marry, will not bring up the children they ought to have. At most they bring up one or two. It is in this way that the scourge before it is noticed is rapidly developed. The remedy is in ourselves; we have but to change our morals.”

                        “Now moderation, adequacy, excess in nothing, and complete self-sufficiency are above all else the essential characteristics of everything done by the gods; and if anyone should take this fact as a starting-point, and assert that Greece has far more than its share in the general depopulation which the earlier discords and wars have wrought throughout practically the whole inhabited earth, and that to‑day the whole of Greece would hardly muster three thousand men-at‑arms, which is the number that the one city of the Megarians sent forth to Plataeae (for the god’s abandoning of many oracles is nothing other than his way of substantiating the desolation of Greece), in this way such a man would give some accurate evidence of his keenness in reasoning.”

                        URL:
                        https://bornposthumously.wordpress.com/
                        Makes sense considering old Greeks were killing each other during city-states wars.

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                        • tchaiku
                          Member
                          • Nov 2016
                          • 786

                          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                          The "hellenic" Constantinople ... full of barbarians and foreigners. Almost the entire "hellenic" byzantine army were foreigners.
                          If you have similar posts about Eastern Roman Empire, I suggest it's better to post them here:
                          I originally posted this on the Maknews forum but thought it would interesting to post it again here in case anybody hasn't seen it especially as our modern Greek friends constantly brag about 'their' Byzantine heritage. Just how 'Greek' was the Byzantine Empire? Take a look at the ethnic origin of all its emperors and

                          For easier research, this thread has 75 pages already.
                          Last edited by tchaiku; 08-11-2018, 04:52 AM.

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                          • Carlin
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            Arvanites is one of the oldest villages on Samos - already mentioned in the description of Samos by Metropolitan Joseph Georgeirene, published in English in 1677.

                            The interpretation of the village name has not been fully elucidated. Several points are mentioned, of which the most plausible is that during the colonization of Samos in the middle of the 16th century, after 1562 families settled in the area (the oral tradition mentions two) that either had the surname or nickname "Arvanitis" or were from Arvanite regions of Attica or Tinos.

                            In the Turkish records of 1622 and 1642, the area is not the village of Arvanites, but the village of Ghika. Probably this village was also called Arvanites because of the origin of that "Ghika".

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                            • tchaiku
                              Member
                              • Nov 2016
                              • 786

                              Originally posted by Carlin View Post
                              Based on which sources do you base this belief on?

                              We have just read that up to 35,000 Roman veterans were settled in (southern) Greece, as well as having several waves of large-scale immigration into (only) Corinth and Patras.

                              Furthermore, Justinian established Castle of Maina/Mani and settled it with Roman colonists from elsewhere. (I do not have the source handy.)

                              Let's not forget that - for want of Hellenes - 'Kapheroi, Thrakesians, Armenians, and others from different places and cities' were settled in Peloponnesos in the early ninth century.

                              Moreover, did we not already read (several times) the following:

                              - "And now most of Epirus and Hellas and Peloponnesus and Macedonia are inhabited by 'Scythi-Slavs'."
                              - And for Western Peloponnese in particular: "And now not even the names of the Pisatans, the Caucones or the Pylians survive. All these regions are inhabited by 'Scythians'".

                              There were also minor settlements of Christian Orthodox Seljuk Turk "Romaioi" in the Peloponnesos as well (sometime during/after the 13th century).
                              Albanians colonization of Peloponnese:
                              1) Manuel Kantakouzenos - brought 8,000 Albanians in Peloponnese.
                              2) Nerio I Acciaioli - 800 Albanians families in the area of Corinth
                              3) Theodore II Palaiologos - brought 10,000 Albanian families in Peloponnese.
                              4) Centurione Zaccaria - moved thousands of Albanians in Western Peloponnese
                              5) Carlo Tocco - brought 10,000 (?) Albanians in Peloponnese 1425

                              Small waves:
                              Some Albanians were settled in Messinia by Venetians, some Albanians moved to Morea after the death of Scanderbeg.
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                              Some thousands Albanians left Peloponnese for Italy in 16th/15th century.

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                              Am I missing something?
                              Last edited by tchaiku; 08-16-2018, 09:03 AM.

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