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  • Liberator of Makedonija
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 1595

    Roger Casement: Fact or Fiction?

    Some of you may be aware that I am not only Macedonian, but I am also Irish. As such, I got quite the shock when I discovered the famous quote by Roger Casement; 'I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented'. Apparently spoken before being hung by the British for his role in the Easter Rising of 1916. This is something that obviously gets-to-me in a very personal way and I am looking for clarification of its authenticity. If anyone has any evidence of this being said, please provide it!
    I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
  • Gocka
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 2306

    #2
    Its true, he said that. Try and search the forum, I'm certain I've seen a source here somewhere.

    Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
    Some of you may be aware that I am not only Macedonian, but I am also Irish. As such, I got quite the shock when I discovered the famous quote by Roger Casement; 'I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented'. Apparently spoken before being hung by the British for his role in the Easter Rising of 1916. This is something that obviously gets-to-me in a very personal way and I am looking for clarification of its authenticity. If anyone has any evidence of this being said, please provide it!

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    • Liberator of Makedonija
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 1595

      #3
      Originally posted by Gocka View Post
      Its true, he said that. Try and search the forum, I'm certain I've seen a source here somewhere.
      Problem with searching the forum is that the search bar doesn't work
      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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      • Gocka
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 2306

        #4
        From the book “Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation” by John Shea, 1997, page 8.

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        • Liberator of Makedonija
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 1595

          #5
          Originally posted by Gocka View Post
          From the book “Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation” by John Shea, 1997, page 8.
          That's how I found out about the quote, I started reading the book last night but John Shea doesn't state where he got that information from.
          I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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          • Phoenix
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 4671

            #6
            There's also this...

            "...The moral failure of Turkey, her inability to govern her Christian peoples is only the pretext: but just as the moral argument brings its strange revenges and shows an Ireland that has suffered all that Macedonia has suffered, and this at the hands of Christians, and not of Moslems, so the triumph of the Balkan Allies, far from benefiting Britain, must, in the end, react to her detriment..."

            The Crime Against Europe - A Possible Outcome of the War of 1914

            Roger Casement

            p50

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            • Gocka
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 2306

              #7
              Then it will take some digging on your part

              Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
              That's how I found out about the quote, I started reading the book last night but John Shea doesn't state where he got that information from.

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              • Liberator of Makedonija
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 1595

                #8
                Unfortunately I have found nothing.
                I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                • vicsinad
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 2337

                  #9
                  The earliest reference to that quote I can find on the internet comes from "Macedonian Review: Volume 16-17" published in 1986 by "Kulturen Zhivot". The quote is on page 252 in that book, and offers a citation (citation 56) but I don't have access to the citations page.

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                  • Gocka
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2306

                    #10
                    Mozok si.

                    Well Liberator, I think you have a good place to start.

                    Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                    The earliest reference to that quote I can find on the internet comes from "Macedonian Review: Volume 16-17" published in 1986 by "Kulturen Zhivot". The quote is on page 252 in that book, and offers a citation (citation 56) but I don't have access to the citations page.

                    https://books.google.com/books?id=ey...ylDw8Q6AEIKDAB

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                    • Liberator of Makedonija
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 1595

                      #11
                      Haha I wonder what my chances of finding an English-language copy of that is.
                      I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                      • Gocka
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 2306

                        #12
                        It will be a good opportunity to learn to read Macedonian its not that hard to learn honestly.

                        Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
                        Haha I wonder what my chances of finding an English-language copy of that is.

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                        • Liberator of Makedonija
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 1595

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                          It will be a good opportunity to learn to read Macedonian its not that hard to learn honestly.
                          I've been studying it for a while but it's nowhere near good enough to read a book on something as complex as history and culture
                          I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                          • vicsinad
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 2337

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                            It will be a good opportunity to learn to read Macedonian its not that hard to learn honestly.

                            No need for him to learn Macedonian...the book is in English!

                            But learn Macedonian...and Irish

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                            • Liberator of Makedonija
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 1595

                              #15
                              Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                              No need for him to learn Macedonian...the book is in English!

                              But learn Macedonian...and Irish
                              Irish has little practical value in this modern world. It's use in Ireland itself is very limited.
                              I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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