United Macedonia Diaspora

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Buktop

Vangelovski is not like minded to Rogi at all. He speaks of ideals and principles but does not experience the reality of the present situation, Vangelovski cannot be reasoned with and therefor is impossible to carry on any sort of discussion with, so I believe UMD is better off without his sort of individuals.

Buktop, I was willing to cut you some slack as merely representing the other side of the coin. But you state "Vangelovski is not like minded to Rogi at all."

Rogi on the other hand stated:
"I know why he left and I share his views and positions on Macedonia. "

Perhaps you need to think about what you wrote above and understand how silly it looks. Given that Rogi did his best to encourage Vangelovski to remain on the board for the sake of balance ... I ask you again ... where do you think the balance is now that both Vangelovski and Rogi (both confirmed like minded individuals in relation to Macedonian matters) are no longer on the board?

Think about it and come to the logical conclusion that the UMD is not in the same camp as Rogi and Vangelovski. I will leave it to you to determine what camp they are in. I can't help but think you are not being honest with yourself about this.

[Jankovska]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

risto, i privated you to call them up and get us an answer so we can end this 'witch hunt'. nobody wants to take the leadership. jankovska?

Leadership and Jankovska don't ever go together TK.
As I have said before everyone with concerns should email the UMD, so what if they get a lot of emails? It's their job and I am sure they will do it well and everyone will get an answer.

[TajnataKniga]

does everyone need to be in the same camp risto?

[TajnataKniga]

Originally Posted by Jankovska

Leadership and Jankovska don't ever go together TK.
As I have said before everyone with concerns should email the UMD, so what if they get a lot of emails? It's their job and I am sure they will do it well and everyone will get an answer.

why not jankovska? i sense some leadership in u.

their inbox must be flooded with emails from people on this forum.

[Risto the Great]

Sorry TK, maybe I should write like I am "texting" you to sound more "ballsy". But you are either absolutely stupid or simply a UMD mouthpiece or both (mixed in with a bit of street cred naturally).

If I was running an organisation, I would seek to correct my public reputation in all instances. I started with an open mind and now am quite sure that certain issues are being avoided on purpose. Do you think a wink and a nudge about wanting to take back the tower of Solun over a phone call will suffice for me? Grow up and stop being such an UMD apologist.

[TajnataKniga]

oh what an administrator calling online posters stupid. im stupid. im a mouthpiece, im both, im a macedonian, im an apologist, what else you want to call me?

umd doesnt owe you or anyone an answer. they should give you an answer out of courtesy. so what if they gave you an answer? whatever they give you, you, vangelovski, indigien, pelister, solider, phoenix, warrior will chew them apart regardless. the anti-umd pro-macedonian cause camp. or should i say the dictators of the macedonian cause.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

does everyone need to be in the same camp risto?

You know what TK, we have a strong idea of what the camp of Vangelovski and Rogi are. When we ask others about their "camp" we are left with smoke and mirrors.

It is quite clear what Vangelovski and Rogi stand for. Amongst other things, they stand for the Macedonian Cause. The UMD does not. Sure, they might tell me they do in a private phone call. But they won't bind themselves to it in a public statement. Why wouldn't they TK? Is there something offensive in the Macedonian Cause as it stands right now? Perhaps it might go against their agenda, whatever it may be.

Any other defenses for UMD TK? Maybe you just think their logo is pretty and that is why your love is blind.

[Risto the Great]

UMD posts on this forum.
UMD uses the internet as its main tool for promotion.
MTO is useful for this purpose.
The UMD owes the MTO an explanation if it wants to use this place for marketing itself.

If you can't understand that, you are stupid.
Although I suppose I should thank you for using full stops and commas.
gr8 stf

[Jankovska]

Originally Posted by TajnataKniga

oh what an administrator calling online posters stupid. im stupid. im a mouthpiece, im both, im a macedonian, im an apologist, what else you want to call me?

umd doesnt owe you or anyone an answer. they should give you an answer out of courtesy. so what if they gave you an answer? whatever they give you, you, vangelovski, indigien, pelister, solider, phoenix, warrior will chew them apart regardless. the anti-umd pro-macedonian cause camp. or should i say the dictators of the macedonian cause.

Don't get to upset kiddo. Everyone deserves the truth and as an org UMD owes that to the Macedonian diaspora. We all work for the same cause here, all of us. I do believe the communication between UMD and the Macedonian diaspora must improve so things are clearer. The UMD should issue one clear statement, no mixed messages, statement on where they stand and what their views are. They can do that on the forum but they have every right in my opinion not to do it here and do it on their webiste. Afterall we can all very easy visit and read it.
You are new here, you will learn

[Jankovska]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

The UMD owes the MTO an explanation if it wants to use this place for marketing itself.

That makes sense Risto.