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  • Albo
    Member
    • May 2014
    • 304

    Latest official ethnic Births & Deaths Statistic 2017

    BIRTHS ........2017 (2016):

    MACEDONIANS...11,204...51,76%...(.12,047...52,37%)
    ALBANIANS........7,404...34,04%.....(..7,774...33, 80%)
    TURKS..................940.....4,32%....(...1,031. ...4,48%)
    ROMA..............1,271.....5,84%....(...1,334.... 5,80%)
    BOSNIAN............213.....0,98%....(......233.... 1,13%)
    SERBIAN...................129.....0,59%....(...... 131....0,57%)

    Total -*21,754*(23,002)

    DEATHS - 2017:

    MACEDONIAN.......15,005..73,85%
    ALBANIAN........3,434..16,90%
    TURKS..................476....2,34%
    ROMA................476.....2,34%*
    BOSNIAN............132....0,65%
    SERBIAN...................397....1,95%

    Total -*20,318

    MARRIAGES

    MACEDONIAN.........7,306..52,02%
    ALBANIAN........4,971..36,07%
    TURKS ..................538....3,90%
    ROMA.................450...3,27%
    BOSNIAN............114....0,83%
    SERB....................86....0,62%

    Total -*13,781


    More in depth info below..
    The State Statistical Office is specialised and independent organisation within the state administration in the Republic of Macedonia. The basic functions of the institution are collecting, processing and disseminating statistical data about the demographic, social and economic situation of the Macedonian society.
  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #2
    Isn't it interesting how the 2 Christian groups have more deaths than births, whereas all 4 Muslim groups have more births than deaths.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • Risto the Great
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 15658

      #3
      The Albanians don't seem to be dying Albo. They must have a great life there! I have no idea what you've been whinging about all this time.
      Risto the Great
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      • Pelagonija
        Member
        • Mar 2017
        • 533

        #4
        Not only are they not dying they are breeding.. ahh the state sponsored lifestyle

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        • Pelagonija
          Member
          • Mar 2017
          • 533

          #5
          Imagine Albo draped in the Albanian flag in his little room high fiving himself, going look at those evil Slavs dying woohoo

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          • Phoenix
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 4671

            #6
            Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
            Isn't it interesting how the 2 Christian groups have more deaths than births, whereas all 4 Muslim groups have more births than deaths.
            I think that's pretty much a global trend, certainly not restricted to just Macedonia...similar global correlations of births and deaths V education levels can also be made.

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            • Pelagonija
              Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 533

              #7
              Muslim birth rates are falling and will level out with non Muslim populations in 20 years. Just do a search on tfr in places like Iran, Turkey and compare historicallly. Same is true of the Albanians, the new generations is westernising.. look at Albania.

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              • mklion
                Member
                • Jun 2014
                • 100

                #8
                Originally posted by Albo View Post
                BIRTHS ........2017 (2016):

                MACEDONIANS...11,204...51,76%...(.12,047...52,37%)
                ALBANIANS........7,404...34,04%.....(..7,774...33, 80%)
                TURKS..................940.....4,32%....(...1,031. ...4,48%)
                ROMA..............1,271.....5,84%....(...1,334.... 5,80%)
                BOSNIAN............213.....0,98%....(......233.... 1,13%)
                SERBIAN...................129.....0,59%....(...... 131....0,57%)

                Total -*21,754*(23,002)

                DEATHS - 2017:

                MACEDONIAN.......15,005..73,85%
                ALBANIAN........3,434..16,90%
                TURKS..................476....2,34%
                ROMA................476.....2,34%*
                BOSNIAN............132....0,65%
                SERBIAN...................397....1,95%

                Total -*20,318

                MARRIAGES

                MACEDONIAN.........7,306..52,02%
                ALBANIAN........4,971..36,07%
                TURKS ..................538....3,90%
                ROMA.................450...3,27%
                BOSNIAN............114....0,83%
                SERB....................86....0,62%

                Total -*13,781


                More in depth info below..
                http://www.stat.gov.mk/PublikaciiPoOblasti_en.aspx
                This is all misinformation Albo. Macedonians as a whole have older demographics with a TFR below the Albanian one. However the Albanian TFR for Albanians in Macedonia is similar to the Albanians in Kosovo which is around 2.1.

                So while Albanians have less deaths than Macedonians do on average they have a much higher emigration than Macedonians do.

                The absolute highest percentage Albanians can gain in Macedonia is around 30% of the population. They do not have the demographic capacity to reach any higher - ever.

                The best way to "guesstimate" future demographic trends in the country is to look at the number of students in primary and secondary education as the number of students for each Ethnicity is documented based on instruction in their native language.

                So you can find the publications here

                The State Statistical Office is specialised and independent organisation within the state administration in the Republic of Macedonia. The basic functions of the institution are collecting, processing and disseminating statistical data about the demographic, social and economic situation of the Macedonian society.


                Macedonian primary school students
                2006/2007: 122,016 = 53,4% share of the total
                2007/2008: 118,507 = 53,6%
                2008/2009: 115,605 = 53,7%
                2009/2010: 112,293 = 53,7%
                2010/2011: 109,765 = 54,3%
                2011/2012: 107,564 = 54,3%
                2012/2013: 105,468 = 54.35%
                2013/2014: 104,254 = 54.7%
                2014/2015: 103,036 = 54.7%
                2015/2016: 102,644 = 55.4%
                2016/2017: 104,765 = 55.0%

                14.1% Decrease in Macedonian School Students



                Albanian primary school students
                2006/2007: 78,467 = 34,3% share of the total
                2007/2008: 75,141 = 34,0%
                2008/2009: 72,570 = 33,7%
                2009/2010: 69,922 = 33,4%
                2010/2011: 66,156 = 32,7%
                2011/2012: 65,085 = 32,8%
                2012/2013: 63,483 = 32,7%
                2013/2014: 62,188 = 32,6%
                2014/2015: 62,012 = 32.9%
                2015/2016: 60,127 = 32.4%
                2016/2017: 60,971 = 32.0%

                22.2% Decrease in Albanian School Students



                So what this tells us is that since the Albanian demographic has fallen 8% faster than the Macedonian studetn population. Also the Albanian demographic is a younger demographic on average so the only reason they have had such a drop in school students is due to emigration. For the Macedonians its due to lower birth rates more than emigration as Macedonians emigrate less than the Albanians do.

                So this means that around 1750 Albanian students per year emigrate if you divide the number of students lost over a 10 year period. The best part about this is that since it is a young child emigrating that means that for each child approximately one mother and one father emigrate as well.

                So just looking at these numbers this means that anywhere from 3-5000 Albanians emigrate from Macedonia per year which is a huge loss to their VITAL capacity in the country. These kids will never give birth to another Albanian in the country. Another good thing is when they want to get married - they usually go back to Macedonia and find an Albanian bride/groom and make them emigrate as well.

                Also the Macedonian state statistical office has kept track of the Albanian school students since 1966. Here is the list.

                Albanian Primary/Lower Secondary School students since 1966

                1966 41426
                1967 43735
                1968 47372
                1969 50347
                1970 53020
                1971 54801
                1972 59047
                1973 63170
                1974 64919
                1975 67817
                1976 69963
                1977 71521
                1978 73718
                1979 74402
                1980 75676
                1981 75371
                1982 76218
                1983 76340
                1984 76297
                1985 76533
                1986 76210
                1987 75221
                1988 74425
                1989 72651
                1990 72121
                1991 69950
                1992 69952
                1993 70320
                1994 71490
                1995 72142
                1996 73352
                1997 74122
                1998 76090
                2000 75571
                2001 76087
                2002 75543
                2003 75015
                2004 74200
                2005 79428

                So if today there are 60971 Albanian speaking students in Macedonian primary and lower secondary schools that means that the Albanian student population in the country has collapsed to the same levels as 1972/73!!!!!!

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                • Rogi
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2343

                  #9
                  mklion,

                  Do you have employment/unemployment stats based on region and ethnicity?

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                  • Albo
                    Member
                    • May 2014
                    • 304

                    #10
                    I just posted the numbers..

                    I didn't assume anything about future demographic trends..
                    The state statistical office has a minimal amount of Albanians working in it.. its always been an institution that has been protected my the Macedonians since it was created..

                    Albanians have never belived the figures given 100%
                    As for me.. I'm not sure..
                    As for migration numbers.. this is where it will be interesting in the upcoming census..
                    Mass migration had occurred not only in the Albanian community (as has been the trend for decades)
                    But now many Macedonian majority towns and villages have been drained of youth.. ask anyone who lives in MK or has been recently...

                    Its a dangerous trend not only for MK but for the region.. the Balkans I belive will be a new home fom many skilled educated Asian and African migrants in 10 years..if migration trends continue across all ethnic groups ..

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                    • mklion
                      Member
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 100

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Albo View Post
                      I just posted the numbers..

                      I didn't assume anything about future demographic trends..
                      The state statistical office has a minimal amount of Albanians working in it.. its always been an institution that has been protected my the Macedonians since it was created..

                      Albanians have never belived the figures given 100%
                      As for me.. I'm not sure..
                      As for migration numbers.. this is where it will be interesting in the upcoming census..
                      Mass migration had occurred not only in the Albanian community (as has been the trend for decades)
                      But now many Macedonian majority towns and villages have been drained of youth.. ask anyone who lives in MK or has been recently...

                      Its a dangerous trend not only for MK but for the region.. the Balkans I belive will be a new home fom many skilled educated Asian and African migrants in 10 years..if migration trends continue across all ethnic groups ..
                      LoL. You use the SSO to cherry pick "official data" that show a negative view of Macedonians in a specific point in time but fail to show any trends in the country.

                      Then when I use the same source to show things from a different angle you discredit the same source you yourself used!!! As if there is some conspiracy against Albanians because Albanians don't work in the SSO. LMFAO!

                      The reason the Albanians have not believed in the numbers is because they are delusional. They gain rights bases on percentages in the country. It's in their interest to inflate them. The only time anything was faked in the country was the 2002 census where Albanians from in Oslomej, Zajas, Struga that live in the diaspora were added to their total for the census to artificially increase their number to over 25% under the ohrid framework agreement.

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                      • Albo
                        Member
                        • May 2014
                        • 304

                        #12
                        LoL. You use the SSO to cherry pick "official data" that show a negative view of Macedonians in a specific point in time but fail to show any trends in the country.*

                        Then when I use the same source to show things from a different angle you discredit the same source you yourself used!!! As if there is some conspiracy against Albanians because Albanians don't work in the SSO. LMFAO!
                        There is no need to show or point out any "other angle"
                        I didn't hint to any trend.. I just posted data from the SSO..

                        Albanians could be more could be less.. It only gives a version of statistics that could be 100% correct.. but until the SSO Is open to all ethnic groups and is more transparent there will always be doubt and suspicion..

                        Also just a side note on your student numbers and the percentages
                        The 55% of students that Study in Macedonian aren't all ethnic Macedonian..
                        Eg. Most Roma, Turks Serbs and others study in Macedonian..
                        Also many Albanians from Skopje and other regions where Albanians are a minority eg Bitola, Resen, Ohrid, Prilep,Krushevo Veles ect.. are educated in Macedonian.. simply because there aren't any or quality Albanian language schools in those regions..or parents choose to send them to Macedonian schools..

                        The reason the Albanians have not believed in the numbers is because they are delusional. They gain rights bases on percentages in the country.*
                        I agree its wrong for your rights as an Albanian differ depending on which part of the country you live.. and how much you are...
                        Hence the language law will make all Albanians equal when it comes language rights regardless of numbers and where they live.. problem solved..

                        The only time anything was faked in the country was the 2002 census where Albanians from in Oslomej, Zajas, Struga that live in the diaspora were added to their total for the census to artificially increase their number to over 25% under the ohrid framework agreement.
                        Any proof that at the time (2002) that the numbers were inflated in those regions.. and how much effect it had on the overall total?

                        Also how many Albanians who were born or parents were born in Macedonia live or work outside Macedonia??

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                        • mklion
                          Member
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 100

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Albo View Post
                          Also just a side note on your student numbers and the percentages
                          The 55% of students that Study in Macedonian aren't all ethnic Macedonian..
                          Eg. Most Roma, Turks Serbs and others study in Macedonian..
                          Also many Albanians from Skopje and other regions where Albanians are a minority eg Bitola, Resen, Ohrid, Prilep,Krushevo Veles ect.. are educated in Macedonian.. simply because there aren't any or quality Albanian language schools in those regions..or parents choose to send them to Macedonian schools..


                          The number of students are broken down by ethnicity and language. So no Macedonian/Roma/Turks/Serbs are all broken down based on their own ethnicity and not all lumped into the "Macedonian" group. Its right here in this publication and graph. They have been publishing these findings for many years.






                          Originally posted by Albo View Post
                          I agree its wrong for your rights as an Albanian differ depending on which part of the country you live.. and how much you are...
                          Hence the language law will make all Albanians equal when it comes language rights regardless of numbers and where they live.. problem solved..
                          The Albanians signed the Ohrid Framework agreement which guaranteed them these rights based on the number of them living in each municipality. If they weren't happy with the agreement then they should have never signed it. Don't complain about it after the fact. Irrespective, Albanians are emigrating from Macedonia en masse. So the more than emigrate the better it will be for the country.

                          Originally posted by Albo View Post
                          Any proof that at the time (2002) that the numbers were inflated in those regions.. and how much effect it had on the overall total?

                          Also how many Albanians who were born or parents were born in Macedonia live or work outside Macedonia??
                          This is based on voting patterns in Kichevo elections and births in both Oslomej and Zajas (for example). Zajas and Oslomej are both high emigration areas for Albanians and the number of births in those two municipalities are not proportional to the inflated number of people in the 2002 census.

                          Also in order to vote an Albanian mayor into Kicevo many expats who reside in other countries have to travel back to Macedonia to vote. These Albanians have officially emigrated but are still on the voter rolls and counted as Citizens.

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                          • Albo
                            Member
                            • May 2014
                            • 304

                            #14
                            The Albanians signed the Ohrid Framework agreement which guaranteed them these rights based on the number of them living in each municipality. If they weren't happy with the agreement then they should have never signed it
                            At the time it was a big step forward and nobody knew how the new laws were going to effect the people and the country..
                            After 17 years the positives and negatives of the agreement are better known.. The OFA isn't gospel.. it was a guide to peace and integration..

                            If Albanian rights were standardised across the country there would be no reason to want to inflate or deflate numbers..

                            Albanians are emigrating from Macedonia en masse. So the more than emigrate the better it will be for the country
                            Oh yes its amazing for the country... �� what a way to create more loyal Albanian citizens by celebrating their migration..

                            Albanians who migrate.. never fully migrate unless they go to places like Canada, USA or Australia..the Albanians in Europe are the majority.. they are more seasonal workers or even when citizens of a second country still return to MK more often then Macedonians who migrate.. and also they spend most of the money they make abroad in Macedonia by either supporting the family or building a new home or buying an apartment .. Albanians also almost never sell family property , it's seen as scared.. regardless of how poor or rich you are or where you migrate to.. So I wouldn't get too happy with Albanian migration.. they never really fully leave..

                            This is based on voting patterns in Kichevo elections and births in both Oslomej and Zajas (for example). Zajas and Oslomej are both high emigration areas for Albanians and the number of births in those two municipalities are not proportional to the inflated number of people in the 2002 census.*
                            I'm not saying your wrong because I don't know too much about the Kicevo region.. do you have the voting numbers of Zajas and Osllomej prior to 2002 so we can confirm this?

                            I have driven through Kicevo, Zajas and Osllomej.. they are very built up densely populated regions.. but Also I know historically there has been a lot od migration from that region in the past..

                            Also in order to vote an Albanian mayor into Kicevo many expats who reside in other countries have to travel back to Macedonia to vote. These Albanians have officially emigrated but are still on the voter rolls and counted as Citizens.
                            They are still citizens who pay taxes in MK (eg) (property Tax) .. and regularly stay in MK..they aren't breaking any laws by coming to Kicevo and voting are they? They contribute millions to the economy and keep the region alive..

                            Nobody is stopping the Macedonians from coming to vote also! But they don't care enough or live too far away..

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                            • mklion
                              Member
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 100

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Albo View Post
                              At the time it was a big step forward and nobody knew how the new laws were going to effect the people and the country..
                              After 17 years the positives and negatives of the agreement are better known.. The OFA isn't gospel.. it was a guide to peace and integration..

                              If Albanian rights were standardised across the country there would be no reason to want to inflate or deflate numbers..
                              Countries which are composed of two different sets of people rarely survive. I'm just a realist. The more Albanians who leave the better Macedonia will be for the Macedonians.


                              Originally posted by Albo View Post
                              Oh yes its amazing for the country... �� what a way to create more loyal Albanian citizens by celebrating their migration..

                              Albanians who migrate.. never fully migrate unless they go to places like Canada, USA or Australia..the Albanians in Europe are the majority.. they are more seasonal workers or even when citizens of a second country still return to MK more often then Macedonians who migrate.. and also they spend most of the money they make abroad in Macedonia by either supporting the family or building a new home or buying an apartment .. Albanians also almost never sell family property , it's seen as scared.. regardless of how poor or rich you are or where you migrate to.. So I wouldn't get too happy with Albanian migration.. they never really fully leave..
                              Yea we have heard this story before buddy. No one cares. If Albanians live outside of the country for 10 months out of the year and visit only in the summer they aren't really a part of society.

                              Originally posted by Albo View Post
                              I'm not saying your wrong because I don't know too much about the Kicevo region.. do you have the voting numbers of Zajas and Osllomej prior to 2002 so we can confirm this?

                              I have driven through Kicevo, Zajas and Osllomej.. they are very built up densely populated regions.. but Also I know historically there has been a lot od migration from that region in the past..

                              They are still citizens who pay taxes in MK (eg) (property Tax) .. and regularly stay in MK..they aren't breaking any laws by coming to Kicevo and voting are they? They contribute millions to the economy and keep the region alive..

                              Nobody is stopping the Macedonians from coming to vote also! But they don't care enough or live too far away..
                              I take this as a big compliment. You are just subjectively asking me to prove it to you since you know I'm knowledgeable about the demographics. Deep down inside you know Im right you just dont want to believe it.


                              Let me ask you this, why is voter turn out so low in Albanian municipalities VS the Macedonian ones? Most Macedonian dominated municipalities have voter turn out from 65-80% where as Albanian voter turn out is from 40%-55%. Any idea?



                              Click the map and see for yourself. Check Saraj, Zhelino, Aracinovo, Lipkovo, Debar etc. Its because they are still registered to vote but do not live in the country. So voter turn out is low as the Albanians are counted as residing in the country. If the next census is completed properly the voter rolls will be cleaned up and the real number of citizens will be counted. (Unless SDSM who falsified the last census is still in power).


                              Second, lets use births to see how 2002 census was inflated.

                              We will use Oslemej and Zajas as an example.

                              Here is the Makstat Database, you can check births for every year for each municipality




                              So we can search the number of births for pure ethnic Albanian municipalities and see the proportion of births they have and compare to Zajas and Oslomej



                              So the municipalities of Oslomej and Zajas -the births are so low in proportion to the other municipalities. How does around 21560 population only have 139 combined births in 2005? Look at the other municipalities. The proportion of Albanian births is way higher. If the Albanians in Oslomej and Zajas realy had 21560 residents then the number of births should have been around 325-350 Births.

                              So for an Albanian population to have around 139 births the population of Oslomej and Zajas is no larger than 9000 people. So in effect they added more than double to the population in the fake 2002 census.

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