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Old 02-22-2020, 06:01 PM   #281
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...The old administrators and the few left contributors (e.g. Carlin and Kaprosh) could play this role.
On behalf of Carlin and myself, thanks for the nomination and support...Much appreciated.

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I can also help, mostly with tidying things up, but as you can see Iím not a contributor, I can only participate in dialogue and provide info.
No offence Amphipolis but a couple of quotes immediately come to mind: "Trojan Horse"; "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"...
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You know who you are? So, who are you? Give us the short answer.
I am Macedonian. Next question...
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Old 02-24-2020, 08:51 AM   #283
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Bronze Age Dalmatians diverge genetically from Slavic Dalmatians (Croats).
Bronze age Dalmatians are closests to Northern Italians (their historical neighbours).
This male sample plots similar as the other Bronze Age Dalmatian (woman I3313):


Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 23.44
2 West_Med 22.65
3 Atlantic 22.42
4 East_Med 15.28
5 West_Asian 8.93
6 Baltic 4.91
7 Eastern_Euro 1.65
8 Red_Sea 0.72
9 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.76
2 Portuguese 8.96
3 Spanish_Galicia 9.36
4 Spanish_Extremadura 9.87
5 Spanish_Cataluna 9.96
6 Spanish_Murcia 10.16
7 Tuscan 10.54
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.91
9 Spanish_Andalucia 11.83
10 Spanish_Valencia 12.28
11 French 12.71
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.77
13 Spanish_Cantabria 13.24
14 Spanish_Aragon 14.36
15 Southwest_French 15.29
16 Greek_Thessaly 16.34
17 Italian_Abruzzo 16.42
18 West_Sicilian 16.96
19 South_Dutch 17.54
20 West_German 17.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.9% North_Italian + 16.1% West_German @ 5.97
2 88.7% North_Italian + 11.3% Orcadian @ 6.02
3 90.2% North_Italian + 9.8% West_Norwegian @ 6.09
4 87.6% North_Italian + 12.4% Southwest_English @ 6.14
5 80% North_Italian + 20% French @ 6.17
6 89.1% North_Italian + 10.9% Southeast_English @ 6.24
7 90.9% North_Italian + 9.1% Norwegian @ 6.25
8 90.3% North_Italian + 9.7% North_Dutch @ 6.26
9 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% West_Scottish @ 6.29
10 86.2% Portuguese + 13.8% Armenian @ 6.31
11 90.8% North_Italian + 9.2% Irish @ 6.33
12 91.8% North_Italian + 8.2% Swedish @ 6.34
13 85.3% Spanish_Galicia + 14.7% Armenian @ 6.35
14 91.2% North_Italian + 8.8% Danish @ 6.36
15 75.2% North_Italian + 24.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.38
16 88.7% North_Italian + 11.3% South_Dutch @ 6.43
17 76.7% North_Italian + 23.3% Portuguese @ 6.5
18 92.4% North_Italian + 7.6% North_German @ 6.51
19 84.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 15.9% Armenian @ 6.51
20 55.2% Spanish_Galicia + 44.8% Tuscan @ 6.54


Another one:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian-North 3.09
2 Italian_North 5.35
3 Kosovar 6
4 Corsican 6.22
5 Provancal 7.13
6 Romania 7.99
7 Swiss 8.93
8 Portugese 9.11
9 Bulgarian 9.23
10 Montenegrin 10.04
11 Gagauz 10.09
12 Iberian 10.36
13 Macedonian 10.74
14 Spaniard 11.06
15 Greek_North 11.44
16 Greek_South 11.89
17 French 12.41
18 Greek_Center 12.61
19 Serbian 12.76
20 Italian-Center 13.38


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.7% Spaniard + 18.3% Georgian_Imereti @ 1.36
2 61% Kosovar + 39% Bulgarian @ 1.37
3 79.8% Spaniard + 20.2% Georgian_Laz @ 1.58
4 64.8% Kosovar + 35.2% Macedonian @ 1.7
5 63.4% Kosovar + 36.6% Gagauz @ 1.8
6 78.8% Spaniard + 21.2% Georgian @ 1.8
7 81.8% Spaniard + 18.2% Abhkasian @ 1.83
8 54% Basque + 46% Greek_Azov @ 1.92
9 65% Greek_North + 35% Basque @ 2.02
10 82.8% Iberian + 17.2% Abhkasian @ 2.2
11 63.7% Kosovar + 36.3% Montenegrin @ 2.24
12 90.8% Italian-North + 9.2% British @ 2.31
13 85.7% Italian-North + 14.3% French @ 2.32
14 80.1% Iberian + 19.9% Georgian @ 2.33
15 91.3% Italian-North + 8.7% Orcadian @ 2.33
16 91.3% Italian-North + 8.7% CEU @ 2.38
17 87.9% Italian-North + 12.1% German-South @ 2.4
18 91.9% Italian-North + 8.1% Welsh @ 2.41
19 77.9% Italian-North + 22.1% Provancal @ 2.43

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Old 02-25-2020, 12:28 AM   #284
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DALMATIA'S NEOLATIN CITY STATES
http://researchomnia.blogspot.com/20...ty-states.html

Thomas G. Jackson wrote an interesting book ("Dalmatia, the Quarnero and Istria with Cettigne in Montenegro and the Island of Grado. Clarendon Press. Oxford, 1887") on coastal Dalmatia in the mid nineteenth century:

- "Those who have not acquainted themselves with Dalmatian history are apt to think that the Latin fringe which borders the Slavonic province has derived its language and customs from Venice, to which it was so long subject. Nothing can be farther from the truth ; Zara, Spalato, Trau and Ragusa were Latin cities when, as yet Venice was not existent, and they remained Latin cities throughout the middle ages, with very little help from her influence until the fifteenth century."

- "The Italian spoken in Dalmatia before that time was not the Venetian dialect; in some parts it had a distinct form of its own, in others it resembled the form into wliicli Latin had passed in the south of Italy or Umbria, and it was only after 1420 that it began to assimilate itself to the Italian of Lombardy and Venetia. At Ragusa it never became Venetian at all, and to this day resembles rather the Tuscan dialect than any other, while the patois of the common people is a curious medley of Italian and Illyric, with traces of rustic Latin, Vlach or Rouman."

- "Cattaro, the remotest of Dalmatian cities, which lived till the fifteenth century under the shadow and protection of the kings of Servia, preserved her Latin traditions as jealously as the rest; it was from Italy that she invited her public teachers ever since the thirteenth century, and it was to the colleges of Rome, Padua or Bologna, and not to the court of Rascia, that an appeal was provided from her municipal tribunal. This "Latin" -it would be incorrect to call it "Italian"- element which the Venetians at their advent found already existing in Dalmatia naturally became preponderant over the Slavonic element when both parties passed under the rule of an Italian power. Under the Venetian government Italian was the official language throughout the entire province, from the sea-shore to the crests of the Vellebich mountains; Italian officials were appointed to every office in both urban and rural districts, and the Illyric language was left to boors and husbandmen"
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Carlin, just out of curiosity, why are there two categories indicating a 95.7% "Highly Likely Match". Do the results show a stronger ancestry match for the Peloponnese or southern Albania? I think I remember you once stating that your ancestors came to Macedonia from Moskopole (Albania) which makes the southern Albanian "Highly Likely Match" a remarkably close match. Do you perhaps have an ancestor (from your mum or dad's side) that you might or might not be aware of with roots from the Peloponnese?
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Carlin, just out of curiosity, why are there two categories indicating a 95.7% "Highly Likely Match". Do the results show a stronger ancestry match for the Peloponnese or southern Albania? I think I remember you once stating that your ancestors came to Macedonia from Moskopole (Albania) which makes the southern Albanian "Highly Likely Match" a remarkably close match. Do you perhaps have an ancestor (from your mum or dad's side) that you might or might not be aware of with roots from the Peloponnese?
Karposh - the following is the 'complete' report. I believe the results show an equivalent ancestry match for the Peloponnese and southern Albania (Epirus); however, "Highly Likely Match" appears to show the closest connection to Greece as a whole.

I don't know how their algorithm works to be honest, but it might be possible I might not be aware of those roots you pointed out. As an example, I do know (based on detailed family research I did) that from my wider family some people migrated and settled in Greece a while back. One person went to Athens (it's possible he was related somehow to my great-grandmother, from my mother's side). Some could have ended up in the Peloponnese (?), but also, this could go even further back to a time period I am not even aware of. [I can say with confidence that based on what I was able to research and find out that most of my non-Macedonian ancestors hail from Epirus, including specifically the area or region that's part of Greece].

FWIW, don't forget I also have Macedonians in my family tree and they are native Macedonians so I'm not sure how (southern) Greece or Bulgaria (Haskovo, Stara Zagora) come into picture here.




RTG, I can't say I'm surprised by the results.

PS: Furthermore, the report says that I am 0.5% Italian, which is within statistical error. However, they explain with "confidence" as follows regarding my Italian ancestry:

"You most likely had a third-great-grandparent, fourth-great-grandparent, fifth-great-grandparent, sixth-great-grandparent, or seventh-great- (or greater) grandparent who was 100% Italian. This person was likely born between 1710 and 1830."

[According to AncestryDNA "I am" 69% Greece & the Balkans and 31% Eastern Europe & Russia.]

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So you're an ancient Greek after all!

This would be great to do. I just can't bring myself to connect my DNA to my credit card for the world to see!
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I have to be honest, I am very wary (and maybe a little paranoid) about voluntarily giving away samples of my DNA to be analysed (and, who knows, maybe even stored) in this modern age of Big Brother. Even if it does seem like an innocent enough and frivolous exercise to satisfy some kind of curiosity about our past, I'm still very cautious nevertheless. I feel the same way about the latest fad of having a "Google Assistant" listening in on our lives at home. Sometimes I wish I was back in the selo...Honestly.
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