Scanning English-language works on Macedonian history?

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  • Ishmael
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2015
    • 7

    Scanning English-language works on Macedonian history?

    Hello, I'm part of a project which, among other things, scans works from Eastern European countries put out in the 1960s-80s. There are a number of books originating from Yugoslavia in English translation which have to do with Macedonian history, such as A History of the Macedonian People (1979), Yugoslav-Bulgarian Relations: 1941-1945 (also from 1979), The Macedonian Orthodox Church: The Road to Independence (1973), The Constitutional Development of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia (1980), etc.

    While myself and others are purchasing other books from other countries, I am wondering if anyone here may be willing to assist us in this endeavor by obtaining and scanning those works, or buying them and sending them to members of our project to scan. Copyright is presumably no longer an issue.

    Here are two books (totally unrelated to Macedonia, of course) which I've scanned, to get an idea of the quality of my scans: example #1, example #2 (both are links.)
    Last edited by Ishmael; 02-19-2015, 09:20 PM.
  • VMRO
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1462

    #2
    Hi Ishmael, there is no example in your post.
    Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

    Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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    • vicsinad
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 2337

      #3
      VMRO:

      Click on example 1 and example 2. They are links. I thought the same thing at first.

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      • VMRO
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1462

        #4
        Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
        VMRO:

        Click on example 1 and example 2. They are links. I thought the same thing at first.
        Thanks Vic, my bad.
        Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

        Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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        • Ishmael
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 7

          #5
          As an aside (I post it here since it's from the same period as the books I'd like to obtain and scan), there's a 1970s Great Soviet Encyclopedia entry on Macedonia (its history, economy, etc.) which can be found here (it's the entry with a "warning" that it may be biased on top of it, just scroll down a bit to find it.)

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          • Philosopher
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 1003

            #6
            Originally posted by Ishmael View Post
            Hello, I'm part of a project which, among other things, scans works from Eastern European countries put out in the 1960s-80s. There are a number of books originating from Yugoslavia in English translation which have to do with Macedonian history, such as A History of the Macedonian People (1979), Yugoslav-Bulgarian Relations: 1941-1945 (also from 1979), The Macedonian Orthodox Church: The Road to Independence (1973), The Constitutional Development of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia (1980), etc.
            With a name like "Ishmael", I wonder what your background is and what your interest is in Macedonia?

            And how are you defining Eastern Europe?

            What is the criteria in determining this?

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            • vicsinad
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 2337

              #7
              Ishmael is the name of one of the best books out there

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              • makedonche
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 3242

                #8
                Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
                With a name like "Ishmael", I wonder what your background is and what your interest is in Macedonia?

                And how are you defining Eastern Europe?

                What is the criteria in determining this?
                Ishmael
                I wouldn't mind an answer to these questions as well!
                On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                • Ishmael
                  Junior Member
                  • Jan 2015
                  • 7

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
                  With a name like "Ishmael", I wonder what your background is and what your interest is in Macedonia?

                  And how are you defining Eastern Europe?

                  What is the criteria in determining this?
                  I like the name, it has no other significance. My own interest in Macedonia is in relation to the fate of Yugoslavia during WWII and the rise of resistance movements against the oppressive regimes of Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Greece, etc.

                  By "Eastern Europe" I have in mind Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, the former Yugoslav republics (including Macedonia of course), etc. It's a "catch-all" term, I don't mean to be precise when using it.

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                  • Philosopher
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1003

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ishmael View Post
                    By "Eastern Europe" I have in mind Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, the former Yugoslav republics (including Macedonia of course), etc. It's a "catch-all" term, I don't mean to be precise when using it.
                    What about Romania, Albania, and Greece?

                    I sense your definition of "Eastern Europe" is political.

                    Let's face it. Greece is more eastern Europe than Macedonia, geographically speaking, but no one ever puts Greece in the Eastern Europe category.

                    Macedonia may be considered southern Europe or south eastern Europe, but it is not "Eastern Europe".

                    You should be more precise when you use it.

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                    • Ishmael
                      Junior Member
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 7

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
                      What about Romania, Albania, and Greece?

                      I sense your definition of "Eastern Europe" is political.
                      I did say "etc." but you are correct about it being political. When I use "Eastern Europe" in reference to the scanning project I have in mind the whole Cold War "communist bloc" definition, which back in the day meant Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Albania (even though the last two later separated from the "bloc.")

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                      • Philosopher
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1003

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ishmael View Post
                        I did say "etc." but you are correct about it being political. When I use "Eastern Europe" in reference to the scanning project I have in mind the whole Cold War "communist bloc" definition, which back in the day meant Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Albania (even though the last two later separated from the "bloc.")
                        Don't forget east Germany.

                        Personally, I dislike the phrase Eastern Europe, as it implies some monolithic collective group.

                        Ishmael, I may not be much help for your project, but I would like to pick your brain.

                        Assuming you are a non-Greek, and non-Balkan person, what are your thoughts on the name dispute between Macedonia and Greece?

                        What are your thoughts on the ethnic identity of Macedonians?

                        Do you have a position?

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                        • Ishmael
                          Junior Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 7

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
                          Assuming you are a non-Greek, and non-Balkan person, what are your thoughts on the name dispute between Macedonia and Greece?

                          What are your thoughts on the ethnic identity of Macedonians?

                          Do you have a position?
                          For what it's worth I was born in the USA and neither of my parents or their families are from the Balkans.

                          It seems pretty obvious to me that there exists a Macedonian nation and that it faced national oppression on the part of foreign occupiers.

                          As for the name dispute, I think that those who claim an exclusive right to the region and its history are taking an unscientific position. There are people in both Greece and Macedonia who do this, but the Greek claim is probably more troubling because it is linked to efforts to deny the existence of the Macedonians as a people. I see no problem with a country located on Macedonian national territory calling itself Macedonia.

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