United Macedonia Diaspora

[Vangelovski]

Mitreski,

You're Treasurer just tangled himself up again on Macedonian Media Monitor. Perhaps you can give him a hand. So that I don't "take his comments out of context" again, I'll post his entire statement here. But its the same story - justifying why he supports a name change.

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I am very happy to read some positive messages on this forum.

Jordan - you are so right when you say that our egos are standing in our way of prosperity and unification. Instead of spending out precious time to help Macedonia and Macedonians around the world in any way we can, we are wasting it on blaming people that try their best to help.

About my comments: Yes – that was my PERSONAL opinion and not UMD policy. UMD has 11 Board Members and its natural some of them to have a slightly different approach of how to help Macedonia.


It’s not my intention to get into a debate to prove that my comments were right or wrong but they were taken out of context.

When i wrote - "Let me ask you this? What will you choose? People in Macedonia dying and starving or "Democratic Republic of Macedonia"? - I was thinking how my family and friends in Macedonia are having hard time seeing a better future in Macedonia without succession in EU and NATO. I was not thinking selfishly that i want to call myself a Macedonian, but I was thinking about what people in Macedonia want and need.

For the record – I oppose any name change to the constitutional name of Macedonia.



But I do think it’s better to be called Democratic Republic of Macedonia that FYROM in the International organizations like UN, NATO an EU.

You can take this out of context again and try to convince people that I support name change – but that would not help Macedonian and Macedonians around the world.

I suggest all of us to try to bury our hatchets and leave our disagreements from the past and try to united for the good of the Macedonian people

United We Can


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Macedo.../message/13069


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[Dejan]

The way I see it so far: On the eve of conducting the census, the UMD has removed the MPO from participating. Therefore MPO census information will not be valid in it's count of the Macedonian population within the US. Is the UMD banking on those Macedonians who run with the MPO, to now realise that the MPO is nothing but a discredited organisation, and hopefully declare only as ethnic Macedonians? Is it a tactical move from the UMD?

[BigMak]

Last night was Meto's open forum in perth, as I expected a total of 5 young generation Macedonians and the rest "the old guard" a complete and utter embarrassment towards the end of question time when there was a scuffle with a outburst of "naucise kako da zboruvas makedonski prvin"

99% at the end still had no clue what the umd is, and smirked at the $50 UMD membership drive.

[Prolet]

BigMak, How many people rocked up? Why would they get pissed off for??

I was told that the community is bitterly divided overthere, maybe thats why.

[Rogi]

Bratot, can you tell me what was the harm? Will any Macedonians that wanted to declare themselves as Macedonia not declare as such on the census? Will some MPO member who are Macedonian declare as Macedonian, maybe?

With this project we added more work on the UMD board to justify the decision. So we added more work for ourselves, but look at the cause. We may get more Macedonians to declare as such at the census.

I'd strongly urge you to reconsider what you've written here and the argument you are making.

What you're effectively saying is that Macedonians will be declaring as Macedonians either way, regardless of what anyone says.

In which case, what is the point and value of the census project, and in what way is this 'added work', when, as implied, regardless of the efforts, Macedonians will declare as Macedonians?

You're too easily, or perhaps naively dismissing the insidious nature of the MPO and the Bulgarian attempts at the appropriation of the Macedonian identity; if it were so easily dismissed and so irrelevant, we would not have such a huge number of Bugaromani and Grkomani among our people.

In this situation, the MPO had been given a great deal of legitimacy as a 'Macedonian organisation' by including them in a coalition of Macedonian organisations. What eventuated was a clear 'Trojan Horse' scenario.

As for the harm done, it could be a great harm, when if only one Macedonian is duped by the insidious nature of the MPO and allowed by the legitimacy given to the MPO with their inclusion.

Or the harm done may be that Macedonians receiving letters addressed to them personally, informing them to declare as Bulgarians, could offend a great deal of Macedonians.

Or there may not be any harm at all, yet nonetheless the notion that an (now clearly evident to all, it if were not before) organisation with clearly anti-Macedonian positions and such an insidious nature, could be given trust by other Macedonian organisations and legitimised by its' inclusion in a coalition (alliance) indicates the very weak, nor non-existent, checks and bounds to prevent such potentially huge risks to the Macedonian cause.

It then also beckons the question of influence and what measures exist to prevent Macedonian organisations from being influenced against the Macedonian cause, in the same insidious manner, for which this particular case study serves as an example.

[BigMak]

Basically the meeting was held at the venue of what is classified here as the Egejski club. or what a classic Perth seljak will refer it to as the greek club. Judging by the turnout of around 300 the old guard where of Egej decent and the Vardarci as they are referred to here were very minimal.

The outburst was directed towards Meto, not sure why or the reasoning behind it. It was after the end of question time, there was a total of 7-8 questions one included the reasoning behind meto's statement or support of a name change years ago, the rest were commentary based with one individual holding the mic for what seemed to be 15 minutes with a life story of when he was a little boy.

[indigen]

Originally Posted by amitreski

Stop lying. I have never said that.

Mitreski, you are aware that I have NOT quoted you but only IMPLY the general sense of what you said. I will not retract what I said and say that you, as it is common amongst the other "UMD" reps and their zombie drones participating in public forums, appear to have a severe case of amnesia when it relates to recollection and interpretation of statements (official media releases or forum discussion posts) you make.

amitreski: So there you have it. People that donate and support UMD get to influence the direction of UMD.

Who is lying now, Mitreski? You are a complete joke, same as that fool Koloski!

[Prolet]

BigMak, There is no such thing as Vardarci and Egejci there is only Makedonci you know that. Vardarci and Egejci are only used for geographical and territorial purposes thats it.

How did you like Meto's speech and were you satisfied with his answers?

[BigMak]

Originally Posted by Prolet

BigMak, There is no such thing as Vardarci and Egejci there is only Makedonci you know that. Vardarci and Egejci are only used for geographical and territorial purposes thats it.

How did you like Meto's speech and were you satisfied with his answers?

sho me prajs budala sega, You may as well come to perth and be the ambassador with a shot gun and get it through the thick heads here in perth. I was referring to the terminology used in Perth by our communities

Meto's speech was a complete and waste of time for me, nothing new nothing old and personally I don't really care what a 70 year old may have heard or not have heard in the audience as they are not the future of the Macedonian Diaspora

Its very disappointing that the average age was 70

The young generation would have been there in droves it it had free beer and spirits together with entertainment from the local strip club

Just another UMD membership drive nothing else

[osiris]

wow umd are that powerful that one starbucks meeting and the usa recognised us 6 months late.

so why did they need an office and turkish money when all they would have to do to is have coffees at a starbucks now and then and given the quality of the coffees served at starbucks drinking one of the banana flavoured de caf cappucinos would be a high enough price to pay for recognition anyway.

prolet that was the most outrageous statement i have ever heard anyone make about the umd and its effectiveness. i really dont think i can take anything you post about umd seriously anymore.

i regret to say this but buddy you are living in a complete fantasy land.