United Macedonia Diaspora

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by amitreski

First of all, don't call me Alekso if you want a respectable discussion.

You consider the Macedonian term 'Alekso' an insult, even though your name is Alex? No problem. I will refrain from speaking to you in a manner that assumes you are Macedonian.

Originally Posted by amitreski

..........UMD has never advocated for a name change. Never.................What Meto thought and said in one instance is his own opinion.

Thanks for repeating that lie, time after time. It goes straight to the credibility (or lack thereof) of the UMD, and it makes it all the more clearer that you people are not capable of being honest with your own membership, let alone the Macedonian Diaspora as a whole.

Wether it was one instance or a hundred, the fact remains, Meto Koloski, the President of the UMD, advocated for 2 names, other than the Republic of Macedonia for both international and bilateral use with Greece, on the ZMR interview as evidenced on the below clip. You cannot deny this.

YouTube - ZMR United Macedonian Diaspora - Macedonia Name

Do you want to be proven as a liar, yet again, amitreski? This is exactly the problem with you people, you deny all wrongdoing and then throw your hands up in protest when somebody pulls you up on it. For the benefit of all readers, at 1.39 mins on the ZMR Interview, Meto koloski says the following:

Originally Posted by Meto Koloski

We feel that perhaps a political modifier such as democratic might be more acceptable, only for international use.....

I am assuming that your skill levels in the English language are sufficient enough to understand, that when a representative of an organisation, the President no less, says "WE FEEL", it is not a matter of personal opinion, but of the organisation's policy, collectively.

Originally Posted by amitreski

What Meto thought and said in one instance is his own opinion.

In the interview, he was representing the UMD, not solely himself as an individual. I can't get over how you deny that which is blatantly obvious, thankfully, most people aren't as naive as you would have them be. To complete his triple-name formula, at 2.14 mins on the same interview, your President makes the following statement:

Since Greece is the only one that has a problem with Macedonia, I think that a name should be found, and our organisation believes that a name should be found that is acceptable to both parties for bilateral reference…..

Come on amitreski, tell me how "OUR ORGANISATION BELIEVES" equates to Meto's "own" opinion? I find it incredible that UMD representatives who have frequented this forum choose to defend a flawed statement rather than acknowledge the error, show some honesty and intergrity, and move on. I am coming to realise that what Meto Koloski suggested with regard to his triple-name formula was no error at all (according to Meto himself).

Here is another link where this has previously been explained to persons like yourself, in case you have been hit with another bout of amnesia.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...view#post30717

He has clarified his statement, and has said that in retrospect he was wrong about it, even if it meant replacing the long acronym with Democratic Republic of Macedonia.

No, you said he was wrong about it, Meto still denies it. Perhaps the left hand should start talking to the right hand at the UMD. Here is the link for the thread relating to Risto the Great's questions towards Meto Koloski in Adelaide recently:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...?t=2631&page=2

And in the accompanying youtube clip from the same Adelaide gathering, from 4.40 mins onwards, is what Meto Koloski says with regard to his earlier suggestion of a 'democratic' prefix:

"I said that the Diaspora may take (?), may accept the name Democratic Republic of Macedonia, to end, the former yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, which we all know is ridiculous. And 'democratic', in the end, probably is not so bad (?), but only and I stress this only for NATO, EU and United Nation........"

YouTube - MTO UMD 1

Not so bad? The Diaspora may accept?

Does that look like a confession of wrongdoing, or an endorsement of what was previously stated? This is further 'justified' by Meto Koloski, who also states, in the same clip, that Macedonia is a democratic country after all!! Gospo da cuva!

Are you done with your lies now, amitreski?


***Would all UMD apologists please read this post properly, and search its links, before responding in ignorance and with false accusations.

[vodenka]

SoM, you are an hypocrite because you are fighting UMD on the same issue over and over again. Ok, I understood you do not like UMD as I do not like Vinozhito, and this is clear. I explained, every time it was necessary, the reasons why I do not support Vinozhito: you have done the same about UMD. Why you insist that people who may disagree with you and the reasons of your disagreement with UMD, should shut up? I still did not get your clear answer what is your position if the government of Macedonia will have to change the name of the state with some prefix so that it will be able to proceed in the international institutions as an equal member: will you stop supporting the Republic of Macedonia?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Vodenka

SoM, you are an hypocrite because you are fighting UMD on the same issue over and over again.

You mean like the way you endlessly harp on about how Vinozito are trying to 'sabotage' your efforts in Voden, over and over again? You, Vodenka, are the hypocrite, for some reason I expected better as I admire the work your group have done.

Why you insist that people who may disagree with you and the reasons of your disagreement with UMD, should shut up?

Where have I stated that they should "shut up"? This is the third time that you have created fictional comments that were never made, these lies are becoming tiresome.

I still did not get your clear answer what is your position if the government of Macedonia will have to change the name of the state with some prefix so that it will be able to proceed in the international institutions as an equal member: will you stop supporting the Republic of Macedonia?

I will never stop supporting Macedonia and the Macedonian people, what sort of question is that? Would you?

If the government accepted a name change the Macedonians all over the world, including the republic, would not accept it. Nor would I. I wouldn't just continue to be a Macedonian without voicing my protest against the illegality of such a move, and the Macedonians will need to work towards reversing such a move as soon as possible.

Hope that answers your question. Now perhaps you can answer the one I posed previously, do you currently support the Republic of Macedonia? How? Do you visit there? Do you invest, spend or donate money there? Do you promote it and its people as kindred to the Macedonians in the Aegean? Do you promote the commonality between Macedonians from all parts of Macedonia?

[vodenka]

Hope that answers your question. Now perhaps you can answer the one I posed previously, do you currently support the Republic of Macedonia? How? Do you visit there? Do you invest, spend or donate money there? Do you promote it and its people as kindred to the Macedonians in the Aegean? Do you promote the commonality between Macedonians from all parts of Macedonia?

Yes, to all, but I prefer to live in Egejska (instead in Skopje, Macedonia) close to our people here and work with them, trying to get some human rights for us on the ground, instead of just on paper in Brussels! I do not know if I am that successfull, but I will continue the struggle, which is not easy, as much as I can. My next project is to get closer to the Macedonians in Pirin, for a better collaboration on the cultural field. We have already some contacts with the Macedonians in Albania.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Thanks for the response, I hope your efforts will bring positives for the Macedonian Cause. However, the below statement:

I prefer to live in Egejska (instead in Skopje, Macedonia)

I am not sure what to make of it. Is that the way you distinguish between the Macedonian part wrongfully acquired by Greece and the Macedonian part in the republic? I hope not.

[vodenka]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Thanks for the response, I hope your efforts will bring positives for the Macedonian Cause. However, the below statement:

I am not sure what to make of it. Is that the way you distinguish between the Macedonian part wrongfully acquired by Greece and the Macedonian part in the republic? I hope not.

No, I mean some Egejci activists who prefer to make their "borba" from there, instead of being here with us to struggle in each macedonian town and village. Anyway, we cannot all be or think the same way, right?

[Silver]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Thanks for the response, I hope your efforts will bring positives for the Macedonian Cause. However, the below statement:

I am not sure what to make of it. Is that the way you distinguish between the Macedonian part wrongfully acquired by Greece and the Macedonian part in the republic? I hope not.

Excellent point SoM. Vodenka, would you please clearly explain what you mean or to what you are referring as Skopje, Macedonia?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Vodenka, perhaps you should check this page, the links and the clips. I am a Macedonian in the Diaspora and I do not find statements as the above an acceptable representation of the Macedonian sentiment outside of the republic. Obtain a better understanding of what's really going on here before the next time you involve yourself in discussions relating to the UMD and its relationship of the people it apparently 'represents'.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by vodenka

No, I mean some Egejci activists who prefer to make their "borba" from there, instead of being here with us to struggle in each macedonian town and village. Anyway, we cannot all be or think the same way, right?

No we cannot, but we can certainly agree on some common factors, such as the kinship between Macedonians from all parts of Macedonia. Don't you agree?

Something still puzzles me, I am unsure about why you would make such a distinction between these two parts of Macedonia. Are you making reference to the Republic of Macedonia as "Skopje, Macedonia" because some Egejci choose to carry out activities there rather than in the Macedonian part in Greece? Is that supposed to be an insult towards them?

[vodenka]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Vodenka, perhaps you should check this page, the links and the clips. I am a Macedonian in the Diaspora and I do not find statements as the above an acceptable representation of the Macedonian sentiment outside of the republic. Obtain a better understanding of what's really going on here before the next time you involve yourself in discussions relating to the UMD and its relationship of the people it apparently 'represents'.

I do not follow all the activities of UMD or any other macedonian organization. I try to get some information about them through internet and I am very happy when they are successful. I do not get in particularities on ideological matters or how they are working on the ground as I have no possibility to have a complete image of the situation in Australia, Canada, etc. Even if some time I may disagree on some statements, it does not make me be negative on their work on the whole. I keep what is good. I could not follow every macedonian organization on their daily activities: this is impossible. And I am also busy with my activities, too. As about representation, each organization may represent only their members and followers, of course.
Next month we will start a new term of Macedonian language classes for 4 groups, in Voden and one more place (not Solun) I prefer not to tell now (maybe after the classes are over, and pls do not ask why).