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  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    #31
    The attacker`s comments in a Norwegian forum site has been revealed. It`s in Norwegian language but i saw some translations from that;




    It looks like he was obsessed with some issues like islamization of Europe. He even claims that the high suicide rates in Scandinavian countries like Norway are linked with the "psychological terror" committed by muslims on Norwegian youth! He also links several articles about the estimated muslim takeover of Europe by calculating birth rates of christians and muslims etc.

    Ofc it`s inevitable that some freak like this one would decide to commit such a brutal act because all these false propaganda. These concerns are actually real and it has a base but the thing is; some people or some groups trying to pull people`s perception to another side by diverting their thoughts towards the muslims. Yes, i think it`s true that European society is dying but this is not happening because of muslims. It`s happening because of the system they have created. Europe is morally and socially corrupted. Their system is dependent on immigrants for a long time and it causes major problems. I believe the very same people who gains benefit from this system spreads the propaganda like "Hey, it`s not because of us, it`s the muslims who does that" but this is not true. If muslims ever take over Europe (which i don't believe so), this would only be the natural consequence of the system, but not the reason of it.

    To give an end to this, i think that the Europeans should stop worshiping materialism in that extent and remember the basic necessities and morale values of a human life like marriage, creating a family, having children, protect the family values etc. They need more than 10min. weekly Yoga sessions or tai-chi therapy to achieve this.

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    • Voltron
      Banned
      • Jan 2011
      • 1362

      #32
      Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
      This Norwegian killer is a Christian Fundamentalist - http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...past-90/40321/

      The Christian Extremist Suspect in Norway's Massacre


      The death toll in Norway rose to at least 91 in Norway, the New York Times reports, following the bombing of a government center in Oslo on Friday and a shooting attack on a nearby youth camp island. The reports so far have been horrifying. According to The Guardian, a 15-year-old camper gave her account of hiding behind the same rock that the killer was standing on, dressed in a police uniform, as he shot at people. Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg said he knew many of the victims of the shooting on Utøya personally.

      The Norwegian police charged a 32-year-old man on Saturday, who was identified by the Norwegian media as Anders Behring Breivik. The photo above is a screen grab from his Facebook page, which has since been blocked. Breivik has been identified as a "Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections," according to the Times, as well as with anti-Muslim views, according to multiple sources.

      This is what we do and don't know about Breivik so far:

      Religious views: According to the BBC, Breivik has a Facebook and Twitter account that he set up a mere few days ago on July 17, where he identifies himself as a Christian and a conservative. There are several reports of his anti-Muslim views. In a post in Norwegian in an online forum on December 2009, a user named Anders Behring Breivik claims there is not one country where Muslims have peacefully lived with non-Muslims, stating that instead it has had "catastrophic consequences" for non-Muslims.

      Political views: The Daily Mail reports that National police chief Sveinung Sponheim told public broadcaster NRK that the suspected gunman's internet postings "suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views, but if that was a motivation for the actual act remains to be seen." Furthermore, the Norwegian daily Verdens Gang quoted a friend as saying Breivik became a rightwing extremist in his late 20s.

      Apart from his anti-immigration policies, the Daily Mail and Fox News report that Breivik also argued that socialism was breaking down traditions, culture, national identity and other societal structures and that this in turn made society weak and confused.
      TM

      It would be a mistake to try to link this scumbag's belief in fundamentist Christianity as a motive for this attack. I believe his extreme political views were in fact his motive and the extra dose of fundamentalism is probably supplementary. This is in fact the same as Timothy McVeigh. So lets not start trying to link it to Islamofacism.

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      • TrueMacedonian
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 3810

        #33
        Originally posted by Voltron View Post
        TM

        It would be a mistake to try to link this scumbag's belief in fundamentist Christianity as a motive for this attack. I believe his extreme political views were in fact his motive and the extra dose of fundamentalism is probably supplementary. This is in fact the same as Timothy McVeigh. So lets not start trying to link it to Islamofacism.


        Norway gunman expected to plead not guilty to terrorism charges in court
        Anders Behring Breivik has confessed to Oslo bombing and Utøya island shootings but denies criminal responsibility

        The man charged with the twin terror attacks that killed at least 93 people in Norway on Friday is expected to plead not guilty when he appears in court on Monday despite telling his lawyer the atrocities had been "gruesome but necessary".

        Anders Behring Breivik has confessed to the bombing in Oslo and the mass shooting at a youth camp on Utøya island, but denied criminal responsibility. He said he wanted to start a revolution in Norwegian society to defeat liberal immigration policies and the spread of Islam.

        "He thought it was gruesome having to commit these acts, but in his head they were necessary," Breivik's lawyer, Geir Lippestad, told the Norwegian broadcaster NRK.

        After detonating the bomb that killed seven in downtown Oslo, Breivik embarked on a shooting spree at a summer youth camp on Utøya island, killing at least 86, the biggest massacre by a single gunman in modern times. Police say he still had a "significant amount" of ammunition when arrested.

        Although Breivik told officers he had acted alone, Norwegian police are investigating whether he received help during the attacks. Surgeons, meanwhile, confirmed he used "dum-dum" bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage.

        Oslo's acting police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, said they were investigating witness statements from the island that spoke of more than one gunman.

        A Norwegian investigator added: "Our priority at the moment is to establish whether he [Breivik] operated alone."

        Counter-terrorism police raided a flat owned by Breivik in eastern Osloon Sunday and arrested six people. They were released without charge.

        As more details emerged of Breivik's possible affiliations with British extremists, the authorities were investigating whether he had travelled to London to plot his rightwing "crusade".

        European security sources confirmed they were investigating claims that Breivik and other far-right individuals attended the inaugural meeting of the far-right Knights Templar group in London in 2002. They said there had been increased internet chatter from individuals claiming they belonged to the Knights Templar, an organisation referred to by Breivik in a 1,500-page manifesto published online hours before he began his killing spree.

        The admission from Breivik in the manifesto that he had been planning the attacks since 2009 has raised concerns over the intelligence capabilities of the Norwegian authorities. In the manifesto he expresses surprise that he has not been "flagged up" for suspicious activities.

        Security officials have refused to confirm they were aware of Breivik as a potential threat, although publicly there is little to indicate he was on any watchlist. His only criminal record appears to be a traffic conviction 10 years ago. Other questions over the police response to the massacre remain unanswered after officers confirmed an hour elapsed between being alerted and stopping the massacre.

        Erik Berga, police operations chief in Buskerud County, said an inadequate boat and a decision to await a special armed unit from Oslo, 30 miles (45km) away, hampered the response. "When so many people and equipment were put into it, the boat started to take on water, so that the motor stopped," she said.

        On Sunday it emerged that a police officer had been guarding the island but it is thought he was killed by the gunman.

        Breivik's father, Jens, said he had learned of his son's involvement online. "I was reading the online newspapers and suddenly I saw his name and picture on the net," he told the VG tabloid.

        "It was a shock to learn about it. I have not recovered yet," he said. Jens, who is in his 70s, lives in France and has had no contact with his son since 1995, according to Reuters.

        The Norway attacks have raised concerns copycat operations may take place in Europe. British Muslim leaders announced on Sunday increased security at mosques. Mohammed Shafiq, the leader of Ramadhan Foundation, one of Britain's largest Muslim groups, says mosques were being extra vigilant.

        Shafiq said he was also discussing the need to take extra precautions with other European Muslim leaders, adding that he has spoken to the police about extra protection.

        Concerns the UK remains vulnerable to such an attack were aired by the foreign secretary, William Hague, who warned that Britain's security forces may not be able to stop a Norway-style terror attack.

        However, security experts said the events in Norway last Friday would refocus how far-right groups are dealt with.

        Dr John Bew, director of the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence at King's College London, admitted there had been a lack of focus on far-right extremism, with research into Islamism often taking precedence. "We have looked at lone wolves in relation to Islamism but I think we haven't taken far-right extremism seriously enough."

        James Brandon, research head at London's Quilliam thinktank, said: "The horrific events in Norway are a reminder that white far-right extremism is also a major and possibly growing threat."

        Norway is still struggling to come to terms with the attacks, which came within two hours of each other on Friday afternoon. Breivik was arrested after surrendering on the island, where he had shot and killed at least 86 young people at a summer camp run by the ruling Labour Party. Seven civil servants died after he detonated a massive car bomb in Oslo's government district 90 minutes earlier.
        Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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        • DedoAleko
          Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 969

          #34
          his "European Declaration of Independence"

          he mentions Macedonia several times

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          • vodenka
            Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 297

            #35


            These people are dangerous! In Greece they have a legally registered cultural association and participate to official state cultural events!!!! They hate anything is not greek.

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            • cultea
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 126

              #36
              Originally posted by vodenka View Post
              These people are dangerous!
              Until they learn how to hold their spears, they won't look very dangerous.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13670

                #37

                Norway suspect: Serbia bombing 'tipped the scales'

                OSLO, Norway (AP) — Anders Behring Breivik said he was a boy when his life's path began to turn. It was during the first Gulf War, when a Muslim friend cheered at reports of missile attacks against American forces.

                "I was completely ignorant at the time and apolitical but his total lack of respect for my culture (and Western culture in general) actually sparked my interest and passion for it," the suspect in Norway's bombing and mass shooting wrote in his 1,500-page manifesto.

                The 32-year-old Norwegian said it was the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 that "tipped the scales" for him because he sympathized with Serbia's crackdown on ethnic Albanian Muslims in Kosovo. A year later he said he realized that what he called the "Islamization of Europe" couldn't be stopped by peaceful means.

                Police and Breivik's lawyer says he confessed to, but denied criminal responsibility for, Friday's bombing at government headquarters in Oslo and the mass shooting later that day at an island summer camp organized by the youth wing of the ruling Labor Party. At least 93 people were killed in the attacks. Breivik's manifesto chronicled events that deepened his contempt for Muslims and "Marxists" he blamed for making Europe multicultural. He suggested his friends didn't even know what he was up to, and comments from several people who had contact with the quiet blond man indicate he was right.

                Jack Levin, a professor at Northeastern University who has written a number of books on mass murderers, said the manifesto helps Breivik show himself as more human. "It makes the killer look like a victim rather than a villain," Levin said. From September 2009 through October 2010, Breivik posted more than 70 times on Dokument.no, a Norwegian site with critical views on Islam and immigration. In one comment, he entertained the idea of a European Tea Party movement. In December of 2009, Breivik showed up at a meeting organized by the website's staff. "He was a bit strange. As one could see from his postings, he had obviously read a lot but not really digesting it," said Hans Rustad, the editor of the website. But Rustad said he "hadn't the faintest idea" about Breivik's murderous plans. "Other people have the same views on the Net and they don't go out and become mass murderers. So how can you tell?" Rustad told The Associated Press.

                In the document Breivik styles himself as a Christian conservative, patriot and nationalist. He looks down on neo-Nazis as "underprivileged racist skinheads with a short temper."

                Part of Breivik's manifesto was taken almost word for word from the first few pages of the anti-technology manifesto written by "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski, who is in federal prison for mail bombs that killed three people and injured 23 others across the U.S. from the 1970s to the 1990s. Breivik did not cite Kaczynski, though he did for many other people whose writings he used. Breivik changed a Kaczynski screed on leftism and what he considered to be leftists' "feelings of inferiority" — mainly by substituting the words "multiculturalism" or "cultural Marxism" for "leftism."

                For instance, Kaczynski wrote: "One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general." Breivik's manifesto reads: "One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is multiculturalism, so a discussion of the psychology of multiculturalists can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of Western Europe in general."

                Breivik called his upbringing in a middle-class home in Oslo privileged even though his parents divorced when he was 1 and he lost contact with his father in his teens. His parents split when the family lived in London, where his father, Jens Breivik, was a diplomat at the Norwegian Embassy in London. A spokesman for the embassy, Stein Iversen, confirmed that Jens Breivik was employed at the embassy in the late 1970s, but wouldn't discuss his relationship with the Oslo suspect. Breivik said both parents supported Norway's center-left Labor Party, which he viewed as infiltrated by Marxists. His mother won a custody battle, but Breivik said he regularly visited his father and his new wife in France, where they lived, until his father cut off contact when Breivik was 15. The father told Norwegian newspaper VG that they lost touch in 1995, but that it was his son who wanted to cut off contact.

                "We've never lived together, but we had some contact in his childhood," the older Breivik, who VG said is now retired in France, was quoted as saying. "When he was young he was an ordinary boy, but reclusive. He wasn't interested in politics at the time." He learned about Breivik's massacre on the Internet. "I was reading online newspapers and then I suddenly saw his name and picture on the net," he told VG. "It was a shock to find out. I haven't gotten over it yet." Breivik's mother lives in an ivy-covered brick apartment building in western Oslo, currently protected by police. Neighbors said they hadn't seen her since a few days before the shooting. Police said they've spoken to her and that she didn't know of her son's plans. In his manifesto, Breivik said he had no negative experiences from his childhood, though he had issues with his mother being a "moderate feminist." "I do not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing though as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminize me to a certain degree," he said. But Breivik claims he never lacked courage: "If anyone threatened me or my friends, regardless if we were at a disadvantage, we would rather face our foes than submit and lose face." He said that attitude was atypical among ethnic Norwegians, who had a tendency to "sissy out."

                In Internet postings attributed to Breivik on Norwegian websites, he blamed Europe's left-wing parties for destroying the continent's Christian heritage by allowing mass immigration of Muslims. He said he came in contact with like-minded individuals across Europe, and together they formed a military order inspired by the Knights Templar crusaders. Their goal was to seize power in Europe by 2083 in a string of coups d'etat. Norwegian police couldn't say whether the group existed. Two European security officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the investigation said they were familiar with increased Internet chatter from individuals claiming they belonged to a group called the new Knights Templar. Breivik said he also tried to get engaged in domestic politics, in the Progress Party, an a populist opposition party which calls for stricter immigration controls. He claims he was a popular party member who almost got elected to the Oslo City Council seven years ago. "That's just something he imagined," said Joeran Kallmyr, whom Breivik described as his "rival" in the party. Breivik attended only five or six party meetings during those two years and left the party quietly, said Kallmyr, now a vice mayor of Oslo. "He was very quiet, almost shy. He seemed like a well-educated man. He was very well dressed and very polite. He wore a tie all the time," Kallmyr said. "I couldn't see any signs that he was coming apart." Kallmyr said he only had one conversation with Breivik, a forgettable chat about Breivik's business. According to Breivik's manifesto, he was the director of Anders Behring Breivik ENK at the time, a business he describes as a "front" and a "milking cow" to finance "resistance/liberation related military operations." He describes elsewhere in the document how he used his own companies to secure bank loans and credit to fund his attack.

                Breivik, who detailed his preparations for the attacks in eerie detail, also anticipated the hostility he would face, even from his friends and family, if he survived his "mission" and was brought to trial. Levin said that part could be part of the motivation for the manifesto. "He talks about visiting prostitutes and taking steroids. Why would he say such negative things about himself? I think what he's doing is — this humanizes him," Levin said. "He's trying to tell people he's not a monster, that he's a person with frailties and weaknesses like everybody else."
                Apparently the sentence is only about 20 years for such crimes in Norway, unless it can be demonstrating that this individual poses a further threat.
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Voltron
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1362

                  #38
                  ^ I read the same. Thats pretty leniant if you ask me. Although im not too fond of death penalites I do think they should be employed for certain circumstances. In this case this scumbag has to retire in the ground. You dont take out kids for any reason whatsover. Either that or release him in a room with relatives of children he murdered.

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                  • Onur
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2389

                    #39
                    I heard that in Norway, there is no lifetime imprisonment sentence!!! I think they are used to calm environment of Norway and forgot that we live in a global world anymore.


                    He said he came in contact with like-minded individuals across Europe, and together they formed a military order inspired by the Knights Templar crusaders. Their goal was to seize power in Europe by 2083 in a string of coups d'etat.
                    Actually we shouldn't look for a political background of this brutal event. It`s obvious that these people are completely maniacs. "Knights Templar crusaders"!!! sigh...

                    I believe that the real problem is anti-muslim propaganda going on for about a decade in Europe. There will always be maniacs like him, everywhere in the world. These people can be directed towards any group as a result of false propaganda. Their target can be Jews, gypsies, muslims, communists, literally anyone according to the propaganda they get feed.

                    For example, Nazis had absolutely no problem with Turks or muslims in general. Hitler was constantly sending messages to the Turkey that he respects Turks, both Germans and Turks was the victim of British-Zionist politics etc. They even had anti-Stalin muslim troops in Russia. Hitler was talking about Jewish oppression upon Palestinians too. So, the far-rightists of WW-2 was even sympathizing with muslims but especially for the last 10 years, someone or some groups doing massive propaganda against muslims in Europe and eventually causing these maniacs to switch target since these people always needs an enemy and they cant live without one. And they say "Look, here is the muslim immigrants in Europe, they are the reason of all your problems" to them.

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                    • George S.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10116

                      #40
                      i heard on the radio he is only going to get 21 years for killing 78 people .I think the death sentence should be bought back for mass murderous .Or is it 21 lifetimes never to be released.???
                      Last edited by George S.; 07-25-2011, 04:31 PM. Reason: ed
                      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                      GOTSE DELCEV

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                      • julie
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 3869

                        #41
                        With parole even less . For murdering those poor darling terrorised youth . May they rest in peace
                        "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                        • vojnik
                          Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 307

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Onur View Post
                          I heard that in Norway, there is no lifetime imprisonment sentence!!! I think they are used to calm environment of Norway and forgot that we live in a global world anymore.




                          Actually we shouldn't look for a political background of this brutal event. It`s obvious that these people are completely maniacs. "Knights Templar crusaders"!!! sigh...

                          I believe that the real problem is anti-muslim propaganda going on for about a decade in Europe. There will always be maniacs like him, everywhere in the world. These people can be directed towards any group as a result of false propaganda. Their target can be Jews, gypsies, muslims, communists, literally anyone according to the propaganda they get feed.

                          For example, Nazis had absolutely no problem with Turks or muslims in general. Hitler was constantly sending messages to the Turkey that he respects Turks, both Germans and Turks was the victim of British-Zionist politics etc. They even had anti-Stalin muslim troops in Russia. Hitler was talking about Jewish oppression upon Palestinians too. So, the far-rightists of WW-2 was even sympathizing with muslims but especially for the last 10 years, someone or some groups doing massive propaganda against muslims in Europe and eventually causing these maniacs to switch target since these people always needs an enemy and they cant live without one. And they say "Look, here is the muslim immigrants in Europe, they are the reason of all your problems" to them.
                          Hitler didn't side with Muslims in WWII because he felt some sort of sympathy but more so that they shared a common "enemy" or a shared view of hatred towards the Jews. One of Hitlers elite units was comprised of Bosnian Muslims which were assembled by the Grand Mufti in Jerusalem. Why wouldn't there be such propaganda against Muslims in Europe after what they have done. I am not sympathizing for this manic I am just questioning your statement. I go to Macedonia to the churches and I see the eyes of my saints chiseled out. I see Muslims beating on Macedonians, trying to take over the country which they are very close to doing. I went to Germany a few years ago what did I see there Muslim Turks rallying around the city shouting racial propaganda. It isn't right I respect people of all sorts of religions and ethnicities but some things just aren't right.

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                          • George S.
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10116

                            #43
                            i heard this morning that the killer said there are others involved as they operate in cells.
                            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                            GOTSE DELCEV

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                            • vojnik
                              Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 307

                              #44
                              There are around 80 cells, this to me was expected, it was going to come sooner or later (a chirstian terrorist group)

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                              • Onur
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 2389

                                #45
                                Vojnik, imho, Albanian problem in Macedonia is not related with religions at all. It`s an ethnic issue just like Kurdish problem in Turkey. Albanians claims that they are living there for 3000+ years and demands autonomy, federation state and eventually greater Albania. Kurdish demands are same in Turkey. They want federation with same absurd claims and they also yearns for greater Kurdistan in middle-east.

                                So, few religious themes shouldn't fool you. It`s probably only for bolstering the division and conflict between you. If it would be the religion, then Turks, Bosnians, muslim Macedonians and gypsies would involve in it too. AFAIK, this is not the case.



                                Btw, it`s funny to see that Voltron the Greek here has quite same mindset with the evangelical idiots on Fox News-US;
                                ‪Norway Terrorist Not Right-Wing (Fox News)‬‏ - YouTube

                                ‪O'Reilly: Norway Killer Not Christian Fundamentalist‬‏ - YouTube
                                Last edited by Onur; 07-27-2011, 10:51 AM.

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