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Old 09-05-2008, 05:15 PM   #21
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Slavic is not an ethnic group, I don;t understand why everyone confuses this?
Technically it isn't, but before the era of nationalism there was a mass of South Slavs without an ethnic identity. This is what Misirkov says, I think.

Still, since it is impossible to speak of a Macedonian ethnic identity in the Middle ages, when there was a Bulgarian proto-ethnic identity, and if you try to differentiate between the two, you are forced to speak of ethnic Slavs, as if they had an ethnic conscience (while the sources speak of many different tribal identities - Berziti, Dragouviti e.t.c.)
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:15 PM   #22
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True, but they are still guest workers with zero rights.
Oh if you look at what they have done, trust me they know how to get their rights. This is not the Macedonians who are always peaceful.
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:18 PM   #23
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Technically it isn't, but before the era of nationalism there was a mass of South Slavs without an ethnic identity. This is what Misirkov says, I think.

Still, since it is impossible to speak of a Macedonian ethnic identity in the Middle ages, when there was a Bulgarian proto-ethnic identity, and if you try to differentiate between the two, you are forced to speak of ethnic Slavs, as if they had an ethnic conscience (while the sources speak of many different tribal identities - Berziti, Dragouviti e.t.c.)

The mass of Southern Slavs? No Macedonian identity? What history do you read, honestly?
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:27 PM   #24
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Well, I couldn't log in with the original version and when I asked for a reset of my password to be sent at [email protected], I didn't receive it (twice). Thus, I made a new yahoo I.D. The ID's Sikader2 and Sikader3 were occupied... I used the name Sikader4 and thus... Petros Houhoulis 4!!!

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would you like us to delete your other account, or try and reopen it to you and delete this one?
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:30 PM   #25
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The mass of Southern Slavs? No Macedonian identity? What history do you read, honestly?
Stojko Stojkov and Misirkov, especially this Misirkov quote, that I have posted above before too:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Mac...oing_so_now.3F

"If the formation of the South Slav peoples was a mechanical and political process it would not be impossible that it might recur in present times. Within the South Slav language complex there are several branches outside the Serbian and Bulgarian political units; these are the Macedonian dialects. These branches, since they are closely allied, naturally have some connection linking them more closely with Bulgarian in the east and Serbian in the north. These branches have been given various names at various times but it was not until the last quarter of the nineteenth century that these names overlapped so much as to displace one another. These various names did not properly catch on, and gradually they began to give way until finally they were replaced by the natural description Slav" with a "Macedonian" reflection from the geographical area in which they were distributed. The people who spoke these dialects had once been called "Slavs" and later either "Serbs" or "Bulgarians" until the rivalry between these two names made them both alien to the Macedonian Slavs, who started calling themselves after the old geographical name of their country. The name Macedonian was first used by the Macedonian Slavs as a geographical term to indicate their origin. This name is well known to the Macedonian Slavs and all of them use it to describe themselves. Since the formation of nationalities is a political and mechanical process, all the necessary conditions exist for Macedonia to break off as an independent ethnographic region. The Macedonians have a common country which is gradually, with the reforms, breaking off into an independent political whole in which there are "several branches of the South Slav chain of languages": these branches can easily be united through a general recognition of the central one as the means of expression of the literary language of all intelligent people in Macedonia and as the language of books and schools. Thus all the conditions for the national revival of the Macedonians are clearly visible, and, even from the point of view of the other historical theory (concerning the formation of small ethnographic units from a larger unit on the Balkan Peninsula), this is completely logical.

Here is what one might say to those who claim that Macedonian as a nationality has never existed: it may not have existed in the past, but it exists today and will exist in the future."

It is evident that Misirkov recognized that at the beginning there were Slavs, who broke off into Bulgarians and Serbs, those two begun quarreling and thus forced those between them to create an all new identity, and the name Macedonian. Misirkov though points out that this ethnogenesis process was still unfolding at his time: "...it may not have existed in the past, but it exists today and will exist in the future."
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would you like us to delete your other account, or try and reopen it to you and delete this one?
Whatever. I don't like to have two accounts either.
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Whatever. I don't like to have two accounts either.
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Do you support the theory that Slavs moved on the Balkans?
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Do you support the theory that Slavs moved on the Balkans?
Do you support the theory that the Slavs did not move into Macedonia?

(And Thessaly, and the Peloponesse, and the Aegean islands...)
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Do you support the theory that the Slavs did not move into Macedonia?

(And Thessaly, and the Peloponesse, and the Aegean islands...)
Of course I do, because Slavic tribes never existed. Slavic is not an ethnic group, it;s a linguistic group. Macedonians have lived on that territory way before this rubbish about Slavic tribes came out. Macedonians have lived there since the beginning. Macedonians were there and you all very well know that.
There is NO archaeological prove that such Slavic tribes ever existed.
Who were the Slavic tribes? Where did they come from? Where are the facts to support this theory? Facts?
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