United Macedonia Diaspora

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by makedonche

rujnovino

UMD can't even give a simple yes or no let alone represent the diaspora - get serious you clowns

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by rujnovino

Risto,
I think the Macedonia Cause is about protecting Macedonian people, culture, prosperity and human rights.

This is a vague statement. Would you like to elaborate on this any further?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

This is a vague statement. Would you like to elaborate on this any further?

She missed one, not long ago a UMD board member guaranteed the protection of the Macedonian borders.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by rujnovino

Risto,
I think the Macedonia Cause is about protecting Macedonian people, culture, prosperity and human rights.

Good on you. You would have to logically extend the vague issues you have pointed out and see how it all manifests. For example, there is no way one should be able to reconcile the above concepts with that of renaming Macedonia to Democratic Republic of Macedonia ... but UMetoD did exactly that. Nor should we read about UMetoD agreeing on a logic that suggests Macedonia needs to pull its head in and get to the negotiating table. You see, it is important to dot the "i" and cross the "t" on such important matters. Too much is at stake to be so vague!

As an example, what do you mean by protecting the Macedonian people?

Originally Posted by rujnovino

I think that the Macedonian people who live in wealthy foreign countries have a special responsibility to promote the Macedonian Cause, and one of those ways is to organize into various groups. I support anyone and any Macedonian group that promotes the Macedonian Cause, and I am sick and tired of all the backstabbing that goes on, particularly on your otherwise excellent site.

I support any Macedonian group that enunciates its Macedonian Cause whose principles are aligned with how we have done it here on the MTO. As an example, the UMD has not done this.

Originally Posted by rujnovino

For instance, when you were promoting the "sky is falling" approach, with regards to various strongly worded opinions on what constitutes the "the bleakest time in Macedonian history", I called you out on that, and you didn't appreciate it. So be it, we don't have to agree in order to discuss an issue like that.

I don't appreciate it when people have no idea. You have not called me out on that because you are yet to prove this is not one the bleakest times for the Macedonian identity.

Originally Posted by rujnovino

Then you were suggesting that the Republic of Macedonia look to Chinese foreign aid as its savior, and I called you out on that too, and you didn't like that either.

I was suggesting Macedonia look elsewhere and explore all options. Do you disagree or is it just the EU for you? Are you happy with the agreements Macedonia has already signed with the EU even though it is not even a member yet?

Originally Posted by rujnovino

I also think there is a "group-think" going on, where a small group will gang up on individuals who share less popular or less common views, and badger them into submission, or try to, anyway.

FYROM and EU/NATO at any cost will always be an unpopular view here because it represents naivety and disrespect towards the sovereignty of the Macedonian nation.

Originally Posted by rujnovino

For example, I haven't read up much on the backstory behind the obsession with the fyROM guy that you guys love to bitchslap, but when you modify his name and give him a Bozo avatar, it's pretty childish.

I agree with you, it is childish and absolutely disgusting on another level. No big deal. He represents your belief system. Whatever it takes for EU/NATO entry. We are applying his own logic to his identity here. It is like something you do with lab rats.

Ultimately, many Macedonians have opinions about how our nation should move forward. Unfortunately, the compromised people running the country have done nothing for the Macedonian identity and the message from the Diaspora needs to be clear and consistent. Like it used to be once upon a time (for real Macedonians). To think that there is room for opinion about how Macedonians should be referred to as a people and as a nation beggars belief. Shame on people like you for introducing doubt into the minds of Macedonians. This is not difficult, people like you try to make it difficult. Macedonians need to rise as one on this fundamental issue pertaining to our identity. The UMetoD declared an end to all negotiations. We have not heard of even one initiative since that declaration. The reason for this is because there is a domino effect that they now wish to avoid. The sequence of constructive logic from a "No negotiation" stance has now hamstrung them whilst they still try to be a Macedonian Government mouthpiece in the Diaspora.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

what do you mean by protecting the Macedonian people?

A Washington DC based extremist organization that has direct ties to the American Government? Who knows just keep donating until Macedonia is owned and operated by the USA .. Macedonia for the Americans



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[Makedonska_Kafana]

I have received several inquirers regarding my use of the term extremists above so let me clarify. I, find that during the past 7 years the UMD have been “extremely” poor at addressing the needs of our Macedonian diaspora on the international level .. F

rujnovino, don't even try punk.

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[George S.]

thanks for the vds MK.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by George S.

thanks for the vds MK.

np george, we need to wake up those falsely claiming to represent the entire macedonian diaspora when the above is the ONLY video required to get the complete eu picture .. we don't want any of it!

- alex, it's not what we (UMD) want it's what the macedonian citizens decide is best for the country.

really? then, STOP claiming to represent the macedonians in diaspora - 100% false, US messenger service

[George S.]

I fully agree when the citizens wake up that's the time.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Originally Posted by George S.

I fully agree when the citizens wake up that's the time.

Nothing to do with the Macedonian citizens bato, on merit, success and stability you wouldn't wish the EU on your worst enemy even za jobe.

All in the open now, the game is over.