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Old 11-26-2020, 05:44 PM   #581
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North Macedonia PM’s Remarks About History Hit a Nerve

Sinisa Jakov Marusic

Skopje BIRN November 26, 202013:03

North Macedonia's Prime Minister Zoran Zaev has ruffled feathers at home by suggesting he no longer viewed Bulgaria as a “fascist occupying force” during World War II – saying it's high time the two neighbours moved on from their old disputes.

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An interview that North Macedonia’s Prime Minister Zoran Zaev gave Bulgarian news agency BGNES, published on Wedensday – in which he suggested that Bulgaria had not been occupying force in today’s North Macedonia during World War II, has hit raw nerve in his own country.

His remarks have drawn criticism from historians, public figures, as well as politicians, even from his own ruling Social Democratic Party, accusing him of historical revisionism. The opposition called for protests.

He was condemned by a member of the Macedonian team in the joint North Macedonia-Bulgaria history commission, Ljubica Spaskovska.

“As member of the Macedonian part of the commission, I personally distance myself and condemn the latest remarks of the PM,” she said, adding: “I appeal to politicians to withhold themselves from claims and comments on subjects with which they are not acquainted, and are not in their domain,” Spaskovska wrote on Facebook on Wednesday.

She was soon joined by her colleague on the same commission, Ognen Vangelov, who also distanced himself from the PM’s statements.

In the interview, Zaev talked about his country’s efforts to persuade Bulgaria to lift its blockade on the start of North Macedonia’s EU membership talks.

Turning to contentious historical isurs, he said that “Bulgaria is not a fascist country. Bulgaria is our friend. The new generations don’t know the entirety of this reality that must unite us,” adding that former Yugoslavia, of which Macedonia had been part, had kept Macedonians and Bulgarians from being closer.

He later said that his government had removed some plaques on historical wartime monuments that contained the words “Bulgarian fascist occupation,” which Bulgaria deems highly offensive.

“We already replaced 20 plaques on which it was written, ‘Bulgarian Fascist occupier’. This is not true – Bulgaria is not a fascist country; it is our friend,” Zaev said.

Historians in North Macedonia objected to these words. In 1941, the then Kingdom of Bulgaria joined the Axis powers, and as such was given much of today’s North Macedonia, which it had long claimed as Bulgarian territory.

“In the whole of Western historiography, as well as in the domain of public history, the term ‘occupation’ is commonly accepted. The 1947 peace accord [that Bulgaria] signed with the Allied forces, including with Macedonia, as part of Yugoslavia, speaks enough about the role of Bulgaria in World War II,” Spasovska commented.

As the Soviet Red Army got close to its borders, in September 9, 1944, Bulgaria switched sides and joined the Allies. Former communist Bulgaria celebrated the day as the People’s Uprising of September 9.

Zaev on Thursday said he understood the angry reaction to his interview, but insisted that he had a responsibility to build friendship, and added that Bulgaria could not simply be viewed as a former fascist state.

“I understand these reactions, but leaders should lead their countries forward and make the first steps … The anti-fascist fight is part of my own family, too … but that is the historical past and should not limit us from charting our European future,” Zaev said.

In November 17, the EU Council of Ministers failed to adopt a negotiating framework for North Macedonia which would allow the start of its accession talks because of objections from neighbour Bulgaria.

Bulgaria has insisted on the importance of resolving a history dispute with North Macedonia, insisting that it needs to change its views on some shared parts of history but also on some aspects that tackle the Macedonian identity.

Efforts by both sides, as well as by the German EU presidency, are under way to ensure a breakthrough so that the country’s EU path can be unblocked.

But Zaev has come under fire for his statements from some of his own party colleagues, too.

The Social Democrat mayor of the town of Kumanovo, Maksim Dimitrievski, on Thursday said that “attempts to distort the facts” belonged to the past.

“Macedonia was occupied and split in the WW2 by Fascist Germany, Bulgaria and Italy. The Macedonian people and the Partisans rose and in coalition with anti-fascists, won against the occupying forces … During that war, Kumanovo suffered 800 Partisan victims and double that in civilian casualties,” Dimitrievski recalled.

Renowned theatre director Vladimir MIlcin asked whether, by replacing historical plaques, Zaev had “promoted himself into a monarch?”

“Does Zaev know how many plaques and monuments he will need to replace yet? How many books he will need to burn? How many Partisan graves will he need to plough in order to please [Bulgarian PM Boyko] Borrissov and his company? He will need to erase our memory too, but that will be a bit harder!” Milcin commented on Facebook.

Stating that Zaev’s remarks “had offended all Macedonians”, the opposition right-wing VMRO DPMNE party leader Hristijan Mickoski has called for protests in Skopje.
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Somebody please reel in this fool. He is so illiterate, he shouldn’t be allowed to say anything beyond “good day” and “goodbye” – says Biljana Ginova"
Very well said by Biljana.

Zaev has an agenda and its all about him rather than the country he governs.

He is a danger to all things Macedonian.
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Old 12-01-2020, 06:23 PM   #584
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Pendarovski, Zaev and Sekerinska receive a letter from the Army: Patience is running thin…

https://www.minareport.com/2020/12/0...-running-thin/

MINAReport managed to get their hands on excerpts of a letter sent by anonymous ARM officials to Macedonia’s criminal traitors Stevo Pendarovski, Radmila Sekerinska and Zoran Zaev. In it, Army officials warn the criminal Government junta to immediately cease with the selloff of Macedonia’s history, identity and language, asking whether the “Church and territory are next to go?”.

The anonymous army officials also ask for what purpose has the army being systematically downgraded from a legitimate fighting force with Airforce to a lightly armed infantry with no Airforce!

The letter warns Macedonia’s quisling trio (Pendarovski, Sekerinska, Zaev) that while they will certainly go, the Army and Macedonian people are here to stay.

See link for excerpts of the letter.
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Pendarovski, Zaev and Sekerinska receive a letter from the Army: Patience is running thin…

https://www.minareport.com/2020/12/0...-running-thin/

MINAReport managed to get their hands on excerpts of a letter sent by anonymous ARM officials to Macedonia’s criminal traitors Stevo Pendarovski, Radmila Sekerinska and Zoran Zaev. In it, Army officials warn the criminal Government junta to immediately cease with the selloff of Macedonia’s history, identity and language, asking whether the “Church and territory are next to go?”.

The anonymous army officials also ask for what purpose has the army being systematically downgraded from a legitimate fighting force with Airforce to a lightly armed infantry with no Airforce!

The letter warns Macedonia’s quisling trio (Pendarovski, Sekerinska, Zaev) that while they will certainly go, the Army and Macedonian people are here to stay.

See link for excerpts of the letter.
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Where was the military two years ago?
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Doing the same thing. Just being anonymous and moaning a little.
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That was my thought exactly. It's more than likely fake.
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Професоре Бучковски, Ви го одземам правото да преговарате со Бугарија во мое име и во име на мојот народ!

Непријатно и дури и тажно е да се узнае дека нашиот Специјален пратеник во преговорите со Бугарија етногенезата на својата нација ја објаснува како чин на создавање во 1944 година, годината кога на заседанието на АСНОМ е создадена македонската држава, а не нацијата.

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https://www.24.mk/details/fijasko-vo...a-i-bugarija-1

ФИЈАСКО ВО РАЗГОВОРИТЕ МЕЃУ ИСТОРИСКИТЕ КОМИСИИ НА МАКЕДОНИЈА И БУГАРИЈА

Голема кавга во Комисијата за историски прашања - главниот проблем е придавката македонски. Дводневната средба на македонско бугарските историчари во која сите се крстеа на решение, заврши како тотално фијаско со префрлувања и одрекувања за време на прес конференцијата меѓу двајцата копретседатели Ангел Димитров и Драги Ѓоргиев. Единственото за коешто се согласија и двајцата е дека има нула напредок.

Проблемите продолжиле и во делот на историските личности. Ѓоргиев обвини дека Димитров сака да ги наметне само бугарските тези. Настрада можниот компромис за Гоце Делчев, но се проблематиризаше и цар Самуил во однос како биде интерпретирана неговата улога во учебниците.

Димитров повторно на сцена ја врати Коминтрерната иако не негираше сегашно постоење на македонската нација.

Впечаток е дека денешната средба на некој начин беше минирана. И двете страни настапија со тврди ставови кои веќе ги имаа. Оптимистична е само најавата дека следната недела Комисијата пак ќе се состане онлајн.

Станува се поизвесно дека европската врата за Македонија нема да се отвори овој декември.
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