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  • The LION will ROAR
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3231

    NO..! They do not represent me...
    Did UMD consult with the other Diasporas around the world..or did they decide to take it on without asking our views...?
    Who ever wants a name change...then they lost my support..
    METO is a soft person..I can see him easily manipulated by others..
    The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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    • UMDiaspora.org
      Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 525

      Here is the Official Program with Speakers: http://umdiaspora.org/images/UMDGC20...am05.24.10.doc

      Speaker Bios are located under Program at the following link: http://www.UMDGlobalConference.org
      For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

      United Macedonian Diaspora
      http://www.umdiaspora.org

      1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
      Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

      PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
      Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

      3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
      Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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      • Buktop
        Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 934

        Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
        I didn't state it as fact.

        US census statistics are much more reliable than Buktopian statistics.
        No, you inferred it so as to maintain a degree of deniability, that doesn't change the fact that you are alleging the source of the funding is a government conspiracy.

        Have you ever seen the US census question on ethnicity? Do you know people who administrate the US census? Because I have a feeling I may be just a little bit more informed about the US census than you are.
        "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

        Never once say you walk upon your final way
        though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
        Our long awaited hour will draw near
        and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          Originally posted by Buktop View Post
          No, you inferred it so as to maintain a degree of deniability, that doesn't change the fact that you are alleging the source of the funding is a government conspiracy.

          Have you ever seen the US census question on ethnicity? Do you know people who administrate the US census? Because I have a feeling I may be just a little bit more informed about the US census than you are.
          Being informed n'all ... Would you have joined up with the MPO for census purposes Buktop?
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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          • Buktop
            Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 934

            Originally posted by OziMak View Post
            If you want to guess what someone is thinking you need to go back over their history for clues. Some of you seem to have a positive view of the usa while others have the opposite and you each cite examples. You are both right as you are equally both wrong. Go back over usa history and you will see one consistency in their actions - what’s good for the usa is good for the usa and everything else is questionable. The only exception is Israel. But leaving them aside if you are on the positive side of the wind in usas interests then you gain if you are not then you potentially stand to loose. Some might say what’s wrong with that - shouldn’t a countries representatives first concern is their country. The sentiment from the rest of you can be summed up as pick your mates and stick with them. Nice sentiments but unrealistic in politics yet in this pc world it is exactly what we are meant to say and not do. I wont go into the pros and cons of supporting Macedonia now but in reference to the Albanians one needs to remember they are the usas science experiment to show the rest of the Muslim world the usa is not against Muslims just radical terrorist types who happen to be Muslim. Hence the unwavering support for the Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia and if put to the test they will be against Greece. Gruevski playing nice to the Albanians in parliament is only in keeping with usa rule number one. Gruevskis attempts to include other minorities particularly the other Muslim groups to dilute the Albanians power is condoned by the usa because this action shows the Muslim world the usa and Macedonia like all Muslims equally. No bad publicity from the Muslim world yet achieve your end to dilute the Albania power in Macedonia. Marifet. This is how the usa works.

            To answer the question of this thread I’ll start by qualifying my answer with the umd have the coolest name for a Macedonian diaspora organization and it would be great if all Macedonians world wide could present themselves as a united front and be taken more seriously and the umd would be a polished name for such a united front but their back flips and dubious comments from time to time do not fill me with confidence they are upto the task. Rather then killing the umd maybe the faces representing it need changing to not only reflect the views of the Macedonians in the diaspora which is what they should be doing but more importantly be able to do it competently. Surely there are highly educated Macedonians in the diaspora who could better fill the positions.

            By the way in a different thread much earlier I proposed Prolet Jankovska and Bucktop for the three diaspora seats in parliament so they can give the what for and set them strait.
            I have to say, I completely agree with this post.

            Thanks for the nomination by the way
            "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

            Never once say you walk upon your final way
            though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
            Our long awaited hour will draw near
            and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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            • indigen
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 1558

              Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
              A vote for the EU is a vote for the framework agreement. In fact it is even worse than the framework agreement on its own in my opinion. And that is saying something.
              Bump!

              A good topic thread worthwhile reading, especially if one has not read it before!

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              • Buktop
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 934

                I did vote yes, but I have to also agree with Volk and say, I cannot completely consider any organization or group my sole representative as a member of the Diaspora. I consider UMD one of many organizations that represent me
                "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                Never once say you walk upon your final way
                though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                Our long awaited hour will draw near
                and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                • Buktop
                  Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 934

                  Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                  Being informed n'all ... Would you have joined up with the MPO for census purposes Buktop?
                  No, not without certain assurances.
                  "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                  Never once say you walk upon your final way
                  though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                  Our long awaited hour will draw near
                  and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                  • UMDiaspora.org
                    Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 525

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                    For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

                    United Macedonian Diaspora
                    http://www.umdiaspora.org

                    1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
                    Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

                    PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
                    Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

                    3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
                    Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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                    • Vangelovski
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 8531

                      Originally posted by Buktop View Post
                      No, you inferred it so as to maintain a degree of deniability, that doesn't change the fact that you are alleging the source of the funding is a government conspiracy.

                      Have you ever seen the US census question on ethnicity? Do you know people who administrate the US census? Because I have a feeling I may be just a little bit more informed about the US census than you are.
                      Conspiracy?? US Government funding for charitable organisations is not a conspiracy, nor is it illegal. However, in circumstances such as this one, it does go towards the "moral credentials" of the recieving organisation.

                      Re the census, the figures are there in black and white, regardless of 'what YOU know'.
                      Last edited by Vangelovski; 05-24-2010, 10:43 PM.
                      If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                      The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        Originally posted by OziMak
                        By the way in a different thread much earlier I proposed Prolet Jankovska and Bucktop for the three diaspora seats in parliament so they can give the what for and set them strait
                        Buktop and Prolet? Lol, you're joking, right?
                        Originally posted by Buktop
                        I consider UMD one of many organizations that represent me
                        Thanks for casting your vote, "a" or "the" representative, irrelevant, don't knit-pick. The fact is, when Meto and the UMD talk, you consider them your representative.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Buktop
                          Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 934

                          Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                          The figures are there in black and white, regardless of 'what YOU know'.
                          And what is your point? Even if the census was 100% accurate, which it's not, what is your point? that 120k turks in the US can't raise $300k? I have already addressed this in my previous post.

                          You are so blinded by your frustration that you are going to argue with me over the actual number of Turks in the US?

                          Did you miss these questions buddy?
                          Have you ever seen the US census question on ethnicity? Do you know people who administrate the US census?
                          "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                          Never once say you walk upon your final way
                          though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                          Our long awaited hour will draw near
                          and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                          • Buktop
                            Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 934

                            Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                            Conspiracy?? US Government funding for charitable organisations is not a conspiracy, nor is it illegal. However, in circumstances such as this one, it does go towards the "moral credentials" of the recieving organisation.
                            No but you alleging that it was government funding for the purposes of "policy alignment" is conspiracy, and no amount of rationalization will change that... Do some research and let us know if you find the real assassins of JFK while you are at it...
                            "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                            Never once say you walk upon your final way
                            though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                            Our long awaited hour will draw near
                            and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                            • Vangelovski
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 8531

                              Buktop,

                              Why on earth would a Turkish non-profit organisation incorporated in 2007 provide $300,000 to non Turkish organisations?

                              And yes, I am questioning the ability of a newly incorporated organisation to raise so much funding to give to other community organisations from such a small population in such a short period of time. Don't you think they would have more pressing issues than Meto's salary and trips around the world?

                              Policy alignment is not a conspiracy - it happens on a daily basis. The moral 'credibility' of it is something else.
                              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                              • Buktop
                                Member
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 934

                                Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                                Thanks for casting your vote, "a" or "the" representative, irrelevant, don't knit-pick. The fact is, when Meto and the UMD talk, you consider them your representative.
                                Well depending on which "article" you use can change the meaning of the question. Just trying to eliminate any discrepancies.
                                "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                                Never once say you walk upon your final way
                                though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                                Our long awaited hour will draw near
                                and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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