United Macedonia Diaspora

[amitreski]

I think the obvious contradictions in relation to ending negotiations show that they are not really serious about it.

Tom

1. There is no contradiction. We ask for immediate cease of negotiations. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here want?

2. We say that nobody has the right to negotiate with our name. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?

3. We tell the government that they should not state that they will not change the name, and then in the background do the opposite. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?


You tell me specifically which of these points you have a problem with?

[aleksandrov]

UMD on the vote issue i know a lot weain't getting it the way other countries give the vote to the diaspora,
I was there win 2006 when i heard gruevski say over macedonian tv that he is going to give the diaspora the vote.

That was when DPMNE was still deluding itself about the level of active support it enjoys in the Diaspora. If I was a betting man, I would bet my house that Gruevski would now be just as reluctant as Crvenkovski to form Macedonian electorates in the Diaspora. Only a principled Macedonian politician or movement, like Stojanco Angelov or Dostoinstvo, could arouse any active involvement in the Macedonian electoral process among Macedonians in the Diaspora now. DPMNE is now on a more ruthless campaign to vilify, marginalise, and even persecute people like Angelov and other living heroes from the 2001 terrorist crisis than Crvenkovski and Buckovski were before him. That's because he knows that if genuine defenders of the rights, freedoms and collective interests of the Macedonian people are going to take any votes away from another party it will be from DPMNE.

...the only thing i heard on sbs radio in 2010 by the macedonian ambassador is that yes you can vote by buying yourself a passport & flying to macedonia in the next election yes you can vote....

You could have done that 15 years ago.

[amitreski]

The whole voting issue is a sham and parties use it to gain votes. Nobody has asked the Diaspora how can we make the voting accessible to all where it is practical and makes sense? Having the ability to vote in the embassy and the consulate will allow for 1% of the people (if that) to be able to vote.

[aleksandrov]

The whole voting issue is a sham and parties use it to gain votes. Nobody has asked the Diaspora how can we make the voting accessible to all where it is practical and makes sense? Having the ability to vote in the embassy and the consulate will allow for 1% of the people (if that) to be able to vote.

Alex,

Gruevski's apparatchiks didn't address those basic logistical issues even when they were falsely confident that the VMRO-DPMNE name they tarnished long ago would bring them hundreds of thousands of Macedonian votes in the Diaspora. Now, even if they made it possible for every Macedonian in the Diaspora to vote on his or her own street, a 10% voter turnout would be an optimistic expectation, in the absence of a new and extraordinary political force to restore people's hope in the possibility for progress through the formal political system in the Republic of Macedonia.

[julie]

aleksandrov, well said
amitreski, UMD have fucked up. Too many fundraisers and boat trips. Long time not listening to THE diaspora. Pro - Albanian sympathisers (my personal favourite, no, ties with MPO and trying to distance yourselves )Its all too late. UMD should have been serious in taking the names of the diaspora and listening to their concerns.
Now UMD think they can save the day. Its too late when the whore is 9 months pregnant and ready to drop, preventative measures and measures in infancy stages over 10 years ago was when something should have been done. Not spouting the esteemed value of joining your American NATO organisation under fuckme fyrom

[Big Bad Sven]

We've all asked Meto to explain various things over the past several years. He chooses to ignore our questions. I don't see him doing anything differently here.

He claimed AMHRC supported them now we have AMHRC stating they had nothing to do with it.

So what is the truth Meto, other than you compulsively lie?

All smoke and mirrors from UMD, all you can expect from them is deception and artificial hype - basically you will get nothing from them.

We have all been waiting for something from UMD for a few years know, i think we might have to wait a bit more longer as well unfortunately.

[julie]

George S.

I would not take any notice of Meto and his BS. Unlike him, you have never claimed to represent the Macedonian people worldwide.

I suggest Meto post a copy of this infamous "roadmap" so we, AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS, can see what exactly what this AMERICAN has been telling OUR AUSTRALIAN politicians.

Now Vangelovski, that would be a transparent move in the name of the diaspora , lol, dont hold your breath, asphyxiation, will occur sooner than that would ever happen, they have yet to respond to any concerns, it will never change

the truth will set you free UMD.... free to plan the boat trip of a lifetime, tickets to the maiden voyage of the Titanic, down with the sinking ship....

[Big Bad Sven]

When Macedonia inevitably rots in a national wasteland, where will I (as an Aegean Macedonian) point to my ancestry? Will it be in Greece where a real battle for the Macedonian identity transpired over hundreds of years. Where billions of modern day equivalent US dollars and support was used to destroy our people ..... or should I point to the little protecorate to the north of Greece that is no longer called Macedonia. One had hundreds of thousands of brave fighters for the Macedonian Cause, the other has never gone to war to fight for a single thing, yet lost every time.

Is there hope for Macedonia? Not with the current leadership and not with the slave mentality mindset that is prevalent in Macedonia.

Dont forget the gutless wonders who during the "civil war" that wanted to give away a third of the the republic to the shiptars, so that they could get rid of the "cancer" and then join in a union with serbia, or even bulgaria....

I have always said that Macedonia and the macedonians have MUCH more to loose then the Libyans and Egyptians, yet they do NOTHING to stop the current government from signing away our identity and culture.

We have even seen more fight from our neighbors, the "greeks" and even the down trodden albanians in Albania - who are trying to over throw their current governments.

When will we see a bit of fight and initiation from the macedonian population in macedonia? If they are too scared to stand up to a gheg minority who consist of mountain goat herders and illiterate muslim fanatics, then surely the macedonians should be able to stand up to the dickless macedonian government - who are so weak and spineless that they cant even control minorities in their own country.

I forgot to add that even the western puppet regime of Tadic in serbia still opposes of recognizing kosovo - what a gutless fool gruevski is. Shame on him.

Gruevski is another fake, him and Ivanov did a good job and duping us all in the beginning, put the cats out of the bag and he has been exposed as the FAKE that he is (again). How many more times must the macedonians be reminded of Gruevski's treachery until it clicks for them that this guy has not one bit of interest about macedonia's name.

[Big Bad Sven]

Macedonia is a very generous country, it likes to give blank cheques to its neighbors! The first blank cheque was to Greece in 1995, the package included Macedonia accepting "FYROM" for international use, abandoning the minority issue (changing the constit.), changing the flag, and giving up use of the Macedonian sun in any shape or form.

The second blank cheque was given to the Albanians in 2001, the package included making Albanian an official language, changing municipal borders in their benefit, and letting terrorists walk free and giving them key positions in the government.

Now it's time for a third blank cheque! We will change our name in the constit., passports, identity, and anything else that Greece wants us to do... All Greece needs to do is ... tell us where to sign!

Dont forget the recent border "agreement" with "kosova" were we gave some land to the people that were so instrumental at starting the macedonian "civil war".....

If you want to go even further back, macedonians commies who were so eager to please uncle tito gave a nice slice of land to kosovo and serbia in the formative years of the socialist republic of macedonia. But its too bad that they didnt read the map properly and see that they were giving away Prohor Pčinjski - one of the most important macedonian sites in modern history... WHOOPS! Oh well, at least it made druze tito happy!!!!!

[Niko777]

RECENT PHOTOS from the lion statues:

BEFORE (thumbnail) AND AFTER



AFTER (rays were erased):



AFTER (sun erased from flags):

[julie]

Dont forget the gutless wonders who during the "civil war" that wanted to give away a third of the the republic to the shiptars, so that they could get rid of the "cancer" and then join in a union with serbia, or even bulgaria....

I have always said that Macedonia and the macedonians have MUCH more to loose then the Libyans and Egyptians, yet they do NOTHING to stop the current government from signing away our identity and culture.

We have even seen more fight from our neighbors, the "greeks" and even the down trodden albanians in Albania - who are trying to over throw their current governments.

When will we see a bit of fight and initiation from the macedonian population in macedonia? If they are too scared to stand up to a gheg minority who consist of mountain goat herders and illiterate muslim fanatics, then surely the macedonians should be able to stand up to the dickless macedonian government - who are so weak and spineless that they cant even control minorities in their own country.

I forgot to add that even the western puppet regime of Tadic in serbia still opposes of recognizing kosovo - what a gutless fool gruevski is. Shame on him.

Gruevski is another fake, him and Ivanov did a good job and duping us all in the beginning, put the cats out of the bag and he has been exposed as the FAKE that he is (again). How many more times must the macedonians be reminded of Gruevski's treachery until it clicks for them that this guy has not one bit of interest about macedonia's name.

Well said!!!!!!

[Vangelovski]

Tom

1. There is no contradiction. We ask for immediate cease of negotiations. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here want?

2. We say that nobody has the right to negotiate with our name. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?

3. We tell the government that they should not state that they will not change the name, and then in the background do the opposite. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?


You tell me specifically which of these points you have a problem with?

I already stated some of the obvious contradictions in my post. You have not addressed any of them. For example, what is that garbage about Macedonia's position vis-a-vis Greece? What position what difference would it make if the negotiations ended? And your complaint about not having a referendum about the name!? A referendum is completely inappropriate to begin with, but why complain about not having one when you are supposedly calling on negotiations to "cease"? How about you start by addressing those and then we can move on to others.

[amitreski]

Tom

You are running out of ideas and making stuff up. When has UMD supported or promoted a referendum? Maybe you are somehow reading that by calling to cease the negotiation we are asking for referendum? Is that what you are implying?

Please do not answer the questions with questions.

[Vangelovski]

Tom

You are running out of ideas and making stuff up. When has UMD supported or promoted a referendum? Maybe you are somehow reading that by calling to cease the negotiation we are asking for referendum? Is that what you are implying?

Please do not answer the questions with questions.

You need to re-read your own press release.

[Pelister]

Tom

1. There is no contradiction. We ask for immediate cease of negotiations. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here want?

2. We say that nobody has the right to negotiate with our name. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?

3. We tell the government that they should not state that they will not change the name, and then in the background do the opposite. Isn't that what the majority of the posters here think?


You tell me specifically which of these points you have a problem with?

Yes, but the devil is always in the detail with you Mitreski. UMD are now happy to issue statements calling for a 'cease' to the negotaitions which is not in itself an end, while at the same time defending and supporting an institutions which are demanding we change that name. If you want to 'cease' the negotiations, you must also be critical of the E.U, of Greece and of NATO that want us do change it. Can you do that?