Vasil Iljov and the Inscriptions in Macedonia

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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #16
    Vasil Iljov and the Inscriptions in Macedonia



    I would like to use this thread to analyse the studies of Vasil Iljov and the rock inscriptions found in Macedonia that he has presented. Admittedly, the 'Trp Ruen' story sounds fanciful, but there are some finds that have actual inscriptions that couldn't possibly be mere scratches.

    Pelister and Dimko, you guys have often commented on Iljov's works, can you post some reference material and any thoughts?
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • makedonin
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 1668

      #18
      I just could not resist.




      To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13670

        #20


        The immediate problem I see is that these items are not elaborated on, and no further information is given as to where exactly they were located and if they have been cross-referenced by anybody other than Iljov. Furthermore, the information regarding 'Trp Ruen' seems to come exclusively from Iljov, even in the below link:

        A comprehensive study of the scripts found in Macedonia and their connection to the Macedonian langauge...



        Where else is there information concerning this character from the year 567AD? How has Iljov deciphered the text?
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Pelister
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2742

          #21
          I think that is a real concern with his stuff.

          It may be genuine, but there are a number of things working against him.

          We would know more about these finds, if he was more transparent, and opened his work up to other 'experts' in the field, from anywhere.

          In history, provenance is everything, and I think he has failed to document the who, what, when, how, of each and every object.

          When he is gone, know one will be able to work out his methods, his logic or reasoning - all we will be left with are symbols and signs.

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          • Pelister
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2742

            #22
            The first thing I would do if I were him is make sure the object (whether its a vase, a piece of pottery, a stone), is clearly identified and its origin, documented.

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            • Pelister
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 2742

              #23
              I find this one interesting.



              Located in Sitovo, Bulgaria, because the graffitti or runes have a clear provenance. Discovered in 1950 by... studied by... etc.

              This one I believe is genuine, although I would like to know how he matched sounds with the letters/scratchings.

              But there seems to be quite a difference between what I can 'see' on this cave wall, and the scratching found in these other artefacts, here: http://www.unet.com.mk/ancient%2Dmacedonians/lac_a.htm
              Last edited by Pelister; 07-09-2009, 12:31 AM.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13670

                #24
                Thanks Pelister. Some of the work deserves to be scrutinized by scholars outside of Macedonia, and if valid similarities were to be established among all these type of artefacts found in Macedonia and Thrace, it would be of historical value no doubt.
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • King Makedon
                  Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 187

                  #25
                  Vasil Iljov oficijalno e vo Penzija, imav mozhnost da go vidam na kratko.
                  Se spremal da pishuva nova kniga.

                  Za zhal ne mi tekna toa da go prasham, poshto i jas bev mnogu vozbuden da razgovaram malce so chovek od takov kalibar.


                  Mislam deka ne povikuva stranski nauchnici posto ke mislat deka ovoj se zaebava so niv i ke im go rushi kredibilitetot i rejtingot na kogo se naogjat tie.

                  Taka da moshne pointeresna varijanta e da se povikat stranski mediumi za da se napravi nekoj dokumentarec.

                  Postojat i lugje so golem publicitet kako na primer "Erich von Dniken" i slichni. Megjutoa tie lugje se za nauchniopt svet samo fantasti bez nauchni dokazi.
                  No mozhebi togash ke dojdat stranski struchnjaci koi ke se obidat da ja umalovazhuvaat vazhnosta na pronajdocite.

                  Taka da sekako ke trebaat seriozni lugje da se vikaat.

                  Na Dniken mozhe valjda neshto da mu se najde za vonzemaljci i da se sklopi so istoriatot na religijata na drevnite makedonci kombinirano so tekstovi na Aleks Mkd.
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                  The world belongs to Macedonia. Macedonia does not belong to the world, especially not to Macedonia's neighbouring countries.
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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13670

                    #26
                    Originally posted by King Makedon
                    Mislam deka ne povikuva stranski nauchnici posto ke mislat deka ovoj se zaebava so niv i ke im go rushi kredibilitetot i rejtingot na kogo se naogjat tie.
                    Taa ako e vistinskata pricina zalno ke bidi, oti bez potvrda negoite raboti i misli za nisto ne vredat, i badiala si go gubime vremeto so niv. Jas mislam, dosta veke so vakvi bez vezi, ako ima nesto neka se kazi i dokazi, ako ne, neka ne ne stramat so gluposti. Sekoi Makedonec so pisi za vakvi raboti treba da bidi odgovoren za svoite zboroi.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • King Makedon
                      Member
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 187

                      #27
                      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                      Taa ako e vistinskata pricina zalno ke bidi, oti bez potvrda negoite raboti i misli za nisto ne vredat, i badiala si go gubime vremeto so niv. Jas mislam, dosta veke so vakvi bez vezi, ako ima nesto neka se kazi i dokazi, ako ne, neka ne ne stramat so gluposti. Sekoi Makedonec so pisi za vakvi raboti treba da bidi odgovoren za svoite zboroi.
                      Toa ne go rece Vasil,posto ne mi tekna u momentov da go prasham, tuku jas prepostavuvam. A mozhno e isto taka poradi toa shto e vo penzija deka ne saka veke da se zamara i saka da si go zhivee penziskiot zhivot. Ama zatoa postoj Vangjel Bozhinovski.

                      Treta rabota okolu vikanje stranci. Do sega najgolemiot uspeh ni e vo Rusija, kade sto najdovme na dosta otvoreni vrati na ovaa nivna teorija. I veruvaj taa sorabotka ke se vdlabochi, so tekot na vremeto i poveke pari ke doagjat i od tamu za prouchuvanje i istrazhuvanje.
                      Interesot na Rusinot e pred se izucuvanje na najdrevniot slavjanski jazik t.e. drevno makedonski. Ochigledno e deka drugite narodi ne pokazhuvaat takov interes.
                      No ako uspee Rusinot da potvrdi deka e taka togash ke dojdat i drugite.
                      Last edited by King Makedon; 08-25-2009, 10:51 PM.
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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        #28
                        I Rusite poznati se za gluposti, krai den, za nisto ne mu vredat rabotite na Vasil (za sega), i taka ke ostanat duri da gi pregleda i potvrdi nekoi drug. Nemu ako mu e ubo da kazva vakvi prikazni i da sedi sea na penzija, arno za nego. Ako e toa vistina, jas velam sramota.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • King Makedon
                          Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 187

                          #29
                          Jas mislam on ke prodolzi uste malku ama ne veke so toj intenzitet posto drzavata nemoze veke da go financira posto veke go ispratile vo penzija i stavile drug na negovo mesto. Toj ke treba da ja prodolzi negovata rabota. A Vasil ke im bide tatkoto na site tie novi generacii.

                          Bashka znaesh deka nashata drzhava nema mnogu finansiski sredstva da odvojuva. Se soglasuvam deka sekoja godina se zgolemuva budzetot, megjutoa, ushte mnogu raboti ni falat. Kako na primer oprema, lager za pronajdenite artefakti i slichno. dokolku rusite ke dojdat ke donesat, pari, struchnjaci i niven know-how od kade ke mozat i nashite da uchat. Poleka ke se turka ama do kraj.
                          Ne se znae tochno ushte kolku vreme ke treba da go proucheme jazikot nash dreven, za da go razbereme celosno. Nie dosega samo freagmenti znaeme uste.

                          Amerikancite se malce problem, se uste barem za akademskata elita.
                          Oni edvam go svarija sto ne priznaa kako RoM, posto oni cel zivot ucele i predavale poslem na studenti deka antikata pripagja na grcija taka i nie. Toa za niv kako udar vo direktiva na chelo. Posto toa se sepak amerikanski college's so rejting nekakov kade sto idat elitite na amerika. I toa so tekot na vremeto ke se resi no sepak e se uste rano. I se dodeka tamu vo JU ES END EJ predavat takvi profesori na collegi i nivni universtities, nema da ima nekoja golem interes, osven ako ne se najde nekoj outsider koi sto ke ja sotrese poslem taa akademska elita na grcko-rimskata istorija.
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                          • Dimko-piperkata
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1876

                            #30
                            Originally posted by King Makedon View Post
                            Jas mislam on ke prodolzi uste malku ama ne veke so toj intenzitet posto drzavata nemoze veke da go financira posto veke go ispratile vo penzija i stavile drug na negovo mesto. Toj ke treba da ja prodolzi negovata rabota. A Vasil ke im bide tatkoto na site tie novi generacii.
                            za kogo zborvesh ? za vasila ?

                            vasil nikojpat ne bil financiran od vladata.
                            vasil se od svoj dzheb ili od prijateli si gi financirashe knigite...za zhal nemat koj shto go poddrzhuvat oti imat ushte mnogu za ispechatuvanje.

                            jas ushte pred godini rekov deka nas ni treba eden FOND so koj da se financirat vazhnite raboti od lugje kako vasil shto nemaat finansiski mozhnosti.
                            1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
                            2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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