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  • Volokin
    Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 278

    Macedonia to hold early elections

    Macedonia to Hold Early Elections to End Political Crisis
    SKOPJE, Macedonia — Jun 2, 2015, 3:20 PM ET
    Johannes Hahn
    EU commissioner for Neighborhood Policy & Enlargement Negotiations Johannes Hahn, center, talks for the media after his meeting with the leaders of the four most relevant parties in Macedonia at the EU Ambassador’s residence in Skopje, Macedonia, on... View Full Caption The Associated Press
    Associated Press

    Macedonia's feuding political leaders have agreed to hold early elections by the end of April 2016 to resolve a deep political crisis, the European Union's enlargement commissioner said Tuesday.

    Johannes Hahn said the final agreement is expected to be worked out at a meeting of the leaders next week in Brussels.

    He spoke after talks with conservative Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, leftist opposition head Zoran Zaev and two ethnic Albanian party leaders. The last elections were held in April last year, when Gruevski won a fourth consecutive four-year term.

    The crisis in Macedonia, one of the worst since it gained independence from Yugoslavia in 1991, stems from a massive wiretap scandal that purportedly reveals corruption at the highest levels of government. The situation was exacerbated by a shootout between police and ethnic Albanian gunmen last month that left 18 dead.

    Opposition parties have boycotted parliament for nearly a year, while dozens of pro- and anti-government protesters have been camping in two different central Skopje locations for almost three weeks.

    "We have agreed to see a kind of transitional period, and it was agreed that by the end of April next year there should be an early election," Hahn told reporters as the four political leaders stood behind him but made no statements.

    At the heart of the crisis is a cache of wiretapped conversations Zaev has been releasing gradually since January. He claims Gruevski — in power since 2006 — was behind the mass wiretapping of more than 20,000 politicians, police, journalists, judges, and others.

    The conversations, which Zaev said he got from "patriots" in the domestic intelligence service, purport to reveal mismanagement of funds, spurious criminal prosecutions of opponents and even attempted cover-ups of killings.

    Gruevski angrily rejects the accusations. He accuses Zaev of participating in a coup plot to overthrow his government.

    Two senior government officials at the heart of the allegations, and the country's intelligence chief, resigned last month in a bid to defuse tensions.

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    • Volokin
      Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 278

      Although this will provide stability for a few months, this will not fix the problems in the long term. If DPMNE win (which they probably will), do we think that SDSM is going to respect that decision? Zaev & SDSM are pretty set on the goal of forming government.

      The issues within Macedonia are entrenched within society. The whole political scene is just a byproduct of ethnic tensions and corruption. Macedonia needs to a systematic clean out, but that's never actually going to happen.

      I don't think any of us think that SDSM is going to be more or less corrupt than DPMNE so it's irrelevant whoever wins the elections. The same will continue until a new party is formed that can actually rid Macedonia of elements that are dangerous to unity.

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      • George S.
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 10116

        I hope the elctions aren't marred with violence.
        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
        GOTSE DELCEV

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        • sydney
          Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 390

          Originally posted by Volokin View Post
          Although this will provide stability for a few months, this will not fix the problems in the long term. If DPMNE win (which they probably will), do we think that SDSM is going to respect that decision? Zaev & SDSM are pretty set on the goal of forming government.

          The issues within Macedonia are entrenched within society. The whole political scene is just a byproduct of ethnic tensions and corruption. Macedonia needs to a systematic clean out, but that's never actually going to happen.

          I don't think any of us think that SDSM is going to be more or less corrupt than DPMNE so it's irrelevant whoever wins the elections. The same will continue until a new party is formed that can actually rid Macedonia of elements that are dangerous to unity.
          Agree with your comments.

          Both public and private organisations will always have elements of corruption - the world over. What I see as most rotten is the need for a Macedonian citizen to align with a political party in order to seek employment opportunities, or to retain existing employment. And further, this political membership seems to determine how investment is created, how planning is coordinated and how law and justice is administered.

          When Macedonia stops the 'which party are you from' controlling everyday life, then perhaps there is a future.

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          • Spirit
            Member
            • May 2015
            • 154

            Originally posted by sydney View Post
            Agree with your comments.

            Both public and private organisations will always have elements of corruption - the world over. What I see as most rotten is the need for a Macedonian citizen to align with a political party in order to seek employment opportunities, or to retain existing employment. And further, this political membership seems to determine how investment is created, how planning is coordinated and how law and justice is administered.

            When Macedonia stops the 'which party are you from' controlling everyday life, then perhaps there is a future.
            I fully agree

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            • Gocka
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 2306

              I'm not sure how anyone benefits from this. I can't envision a SDSM win, so what happens a year from now after DPMNE wins again? Will the opposition accept the defeat and come back to parliament? Will they ask for another early election? How many elections need to happen for Macedonians to stop voting for the same two idiots. This is a big waist of time if you ask me, it just takes attention away from actual problems because everyone is in non stop campaign mode. Whats the point of having an election when it will be contested after 6 months and another one demanded.

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              • DraganOfStip
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 1253

                Constitutional Court allows president to pardon election fraud

                The Constitutional Court with 5 votes to 4 enabled the President of Macedonia to be able to pardon election fraud convicts .
                Now George Ivanov has all legal power to pardon Gordana Jankulovska,Mile Janakievski and the several other officials indicted for election fraud by the Special Prosecution.
                In other words, now a DPMNE member can pardon other DPMNE members for doing crime.
                Something similar happened in 2003 when then-president Boris Trajkovski pardoned Dosta Dimivska,the then-minister of interior and MOI official Aleksandar Cvetkov (all of them DPMNE members) for the "Big Ear" affair of 2001,when it was proved that the police wiretapped dozens of journalists and reporters (most of them later got reimbursed by the state in court).

                This only shows how deeply the judiciary in Macedonia is influenced by the ruling powers,making a decision like this just a couple of weeks after government officials were indicted of election fraud.
                Grujo protecting his own,lads (the long arm of DPMNE).

                ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                ― George Orwell

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                • DraganOfStip
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 1253

                  These are the 5 judges that voted FOR this.
                  Quick sidenote: all of them are placed in the Constitutional Court during DPMNE's reign.

                  ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                  ― George Orwell

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                  • DraganOfStip
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 1253

                    There were protests in front of the Constitutional Court later this day against the decision.





                    The United Macedonian Diaspora also condemned this act,calling it "a big step backward for Macedonia and it's people":

                    Според ОМД, денешното прифаќање на иницијативата на Уставниот суд за можноста за помилување по основ на низа различни сторени кривични дела вклучувајќи и изборни нерегуларности е голем чекор назад за државата и македонскиот народ.
                    Last edited by DraganOfStip; 02-24-2016, 02:41 PM.
                    ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                    ― George Orwell

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                    • DedoAleko
                      Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 969

                      Originally posted by DraganOfStip View Post
                      ...
                      Something similar happened in 2003 when then-president Boris Trajkovski pardoned Dosta Dimivska,the then-minister of interior and MOI official Aleksandar Cvetkov (all of them DPMNE members) for the "Big Ear" affair of 2001,when it was proved that the police wiretapped dozens of journalists and reporters (most of them later got reimbursed by the state in court)...
                      People will not get the whole picture if we don't add that the (back then) president bc abolished the current president of sds zz for a crime he commited in Strumica in 2012.
                      p.s. Not to forget the recording obtained LEGALY with police assistance where the current president of sds zz, as active mayor of Strumica municipality,asks for bribe.

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                      • DraganOfStip
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 1253

                        Originally posted by DedoAleko View Post
                        People will not get the whole picture if we don't add that the (back then) president bc abolished the current president of sds zz for a crime he commited in Strumica in 2012.
                        p.s. Not to forget the recording obtained LEGALY with police assistance where the current president of sds zz, as active mayor of Strumica municipality,asks for bribe.
                        Yes,that too.
                        The (video) recording is set to be used as evidence against Zaev in an upcoming case in the Special prosecution.
                        Meanwhile,protests are set to continue in front of the Constitutional Court today as well.
                        Last edited by DraganOfStip; 02-25-2016, 08:12 AM.
                        ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                        ― George Orwell

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                        • vicsinad
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 2337

                          The joke known as the Macedonian government continues to play jokes on the Macedonian people. One group of followers advocates replacing one set of jokers with another set of jokers. Another group of followers either doesn't understand their leaders' jokes, or ironically finds them funny. And a smaller third group thinks they don't have -- or can't muster up -- the power and ability to bring legitimacy to their country's institutions.

                          Soon the people will learn that comedy is only better than tragedy in the stages before it becomes tragedy, which it inevitably will.

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                          • DraganOfStip
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 1253

                            Originally posted by vicsinad View Post
                            The joke known as the Macedonian government continues to play jokes on the Macedonian people. One group of followers advocates replacing one set of jokers with another set of jokers. Another group of followers either doesn't understand their leaders' jokes, or ironically finds them funny. And a smaller third group thinks they don't have -- or can't muster up -- the power and ability to bring legitimacy to their country's institutions.

                            Soon the people will learn that comedy is only better than tragedy in the stages before it becomes tragedy, which it inevitably will.
                            Couldn't put it better myself.
                            ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                            ― George Orwell

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                            • Vangelovski
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 8531

                              I think we need to hit the reset button on that country. Its unfixable, we need to start again.
                              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                              • Tomche Makedonche
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1123

                                A reset would be nice wouldn’t it, but to be honest I don’t think any of us could bare going through all the same shit again just to most likely end up in the same place we are right now.
                                “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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