Interview with Nikola Karev 1903 I am Macedonian

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  • Lorenzo
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 12

    Interview with Nikola Karev 1903 I am Macedonian

    Originally posted by Daskalot View Post

    еве го оргиналниот текст на грчки





    Last edited by Lorenzo; 10-21-2011, 02:37 PM.
  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    #2
    Thank you Lorenzo for posting the original source of the article.
    Another piece of evidence has now been verified, awesome.
    By the way, welcome to our forum and keep up the good work.
    Could anyone of our Greek speaking members cross-check the article with the original?
    Macedonian Truth Organisation

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    • Daskalot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 4345

      #3
      I decided to move this post into a thread of its own. Great find, and thank you.
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      • makedonin
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1668

        #4
        Finally we have the original text, thanx for that Lorenzo.

        The translation above is scanned from the immigrant paper "Macedonia".
        To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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        • Daskalot
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 4345

          #5
          Makedonin, do you know which year it was published and where?
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          • makedonin
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 1668

            #6
            Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
            Makedonin, do you know which date it was published and where?
            Sorry Daskale I can't serve with that, I don't have the paper anymore, maknews days were long time ago

            I know that it was also reported in
            Утрински Весник, Сабота, 22.07.2000 Архивски Број 329
            However they have archive only back to 2002.

            So it has to be around that time too....
            The first to find and publish the interview was г-ѓа Вамбаковска from the Historical institute in Macedonia.
            Last edited by makedonin; 06-28-2011, 05:40 AM.
            To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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            • Stojacanec
              Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 809

              #7
              It seems the interviewer tried to impose being Greek on N Karev every time he distinguished himself from a Greek.

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              • Daskalot
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 4345

                #8
                Thank you for the info Makedonin. Does anyone else know when and where it was published? To clarify I am referring to the English translation of the interview.
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                • makedonin
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1668

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
                  Thank you for the info Makedonin. Does anyone else know when and where it was published? To clarify I am referring to the English translation of the interview.
                  Daskale, the possibility that someone else will know that is slim. The paper is long time dead, and the above English scan is made by me.
                  To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                  • Daskalot
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 4345

                    #10
                    Originally posted by makedonin View Post
                    Daskale, the possibility that someone else will know that is slim. The paper is long time dead, and the above English scan is made by me.
                    Ok good to know, do you still have the original Makedonin?
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                    • makedonin
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1668

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
                      Ok good to know, do you still have the original Makedonin?
                      Unfortunately the original is long gone too... најверојатно сам го изгубил при селење.
                      To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                      • Daskalot
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 4345

                        #12
                        Ok, lets see what we can find out, remember time is on our side
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                        • makedonin
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1668

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
                          Ok, lets see what we can find out, remember time is on our side
                          Till date I haven't found any online sources for that immigrant Paper. It was distributed through a network here in Germany, but most probably printed elsewhere. I have lost contact to the people that were distributors due to shift of place of living.

                          But hey, time is on our side maybe some day...
                          To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                          • Voltron
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1362

                            #14
                            There is a wrong translation on the second page of the english version. 4th bottom paragraph from the right top. It says:

                            "Whatever kind of watering, it refreshes us and has forced us to turn our branches to that side which, we admit we have nothing in common, and to run from you with which we do not share the same blood and history. This is in some way a protest against Greek interest in us."

                            The word "not" is wrong. Its not included in the original text. Also the last sentence should say "This is in some way a protest against Greek indifference to us". Not "interest" in us.

                            The correct translation is below:

                            "Whatever watering it may be, it refreshes us and made us turn our branches towards that place which I confess nothing unites us (Bulgarians) and to leave you whom we have one blood and one history. This is some way a protest of against Greek indifference to us."

                            Now reading this interview I cant help but notice that Karev was looking for Greek support. His argument is that he was forced to side with the Bulgarians since Greek support was nonexistant.
                            Last edited by Voltron; 06-28-2011, 03:23 PM.

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13670

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Voltron
                              Now reading this interview I cant help but notice that Karev was looking for Greek support. His argument is that he was forced to side with the Bulgarians since Greek support was nonexistant.
                              If you read it a little more carefully you will also notice that he says even if a Turk offers his hand to save us, we will grab it with gratitude. The whole point was Macedonian independence - Greeks, Bulgars, Turks, etc were only a means to an end.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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