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  • tchaiku
    Member
    • Nov 2016
    • 786

    #46
    Italy will pass China in total number of deaths by the virus this week. :/
    Last edited by tchaiku; 03-19-2020, 08:21 AM.

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    • Carlin
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 3332

      #47
      Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
      Italy will pass China in total number of deaths by the virus this week. :/
      It's already happened, as of 15 min ago.

      Italy has just surpassed China for the most number of deaths related to COVID-19.

      The total number of cases in the country rose to 41,035 on Thursday, which includes 5,322 new cases, the Italian Civil Protection Agency said at a news conference.


      Chinese coronavirus experts warn northern Italy's lockdown measures are not enough

      The coronavirus measures in place in the hard hit Lombardy region of northern Italy are “not strict enough,” according to Chinese medical experts helping the country deal with the crisis.

      The situation in Lombardy right now "is similar to what we experienced two months ago in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of COVID-19," the Chinese Red Cross vice president, Sun Shuopeng, said Thursday in a press conference in Milan, Italy.

      "In the city of Wuhan after one month since the adoption of the lockdown policy, we see a decreasing trend from the peak of the disease," Sun Shuopeng said. "Here in Milan, the hardest hit area by COVID-19, there isn't a very strict lockdown: public transportation is still working and people are still moving around, you're still having dinners and parties in the hotels and you're not wearing masks. We need every citizen to be involved in the fight of COVID-19 and follow this policy.”

      He advised Italians to stop all “economic activities and cut the mobility of people.”

      Everyone should just stay at home, he added.




      According to La Repubblica and La Gazzetta dello Sport, Gonzalo Higuain 'escaped' quarantine and flew to Argentina, despite two Juventus teammates testing positive for coronavirus
      According to La Repubblica and La Gazzetta dello Sport, Gonzalo Higuain 'escaped' quarantine and flew to Argentina, despite two Juventus teammates
      Last edited by Carlin; 03-19-2020, 01:30 PM.

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      • Gocka
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 2306

        #48
        Just read that a study in France had positive results using malaria drugs to treat people infected with Corona virus. It seems to have cured 70% of the test subjects. Larger studies are being prepared in the UK I believe, to see If malaria drugs are useful in helping people fight off the virus.

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          #49
          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
          How big is the Chinese community in Australia?
          6% of the country is Chinese.
          Fastest growing language here is Punjabi.
          The nation is changing rapidly.
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Carlin
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 3332

            #50
            Wow 6%! That's a staggering figure.


            Another brutal video, no words can describe it - Italian military transports bodies as cemetery overwhelmed:
            Italian soldiers transported bodies overnight from a northern town whose cemetery has been overwhelmed by the scale of the coronavirus outbreak, as the gover...

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            • Gocka
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 2306

              #51
              I've read a lot about Italian demographics and the fact that so many of them smoke is having a big impact on the death rate but you eventually have to ask why is Italy getting hit so hard by this. Has any read anything on the age breakdown of the dead in italy? Is it really just really old people or is it worse?

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              • Carlin
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 3332

                #52
                Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                I've read a lot about Italian demographics and the fact that so many of them smoke is having a big impact on the death rate but you eventually have to ask why is Italy getting hit so hard by this. Has any read anything on the age breakdown of the dead in italy? Is it really just really old people or is it worse?
                It could also be the high population density of northern Italy / Lombardy.

                Also, according to Chinese medical experts the "lockdown" in Lombardy region is “not strict enough”.

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                • Phoenix
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4671

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                  I've read a lot about Italian demographics and the fact that so many of them smoke is having a big impact on the death rate but you eventually have to ask why is Italy getting hit so hard by this. Has any read anything on the age breakdown of the dead in italy? Is it really just really old people or is it worse?
                  From what I have been reading it suggests that it has been a combination of factors that have contributed to the 'perfect storm'...

                  Factors include:

                  - Elderly demographic
                  - In the middle of a very bad flu season
                  - Lax initial response to the problem
                  - The social culture of the Italians to mix, embrace etc
                  - Possibly urban density in the large cities (i.e. people living in appartments)

                  At the end of the day, countries all over the world will have to consider how they handled this from the perspective of travel and entry into countries.
                  Arguably not enough was done to scrutinise people coming and going...in the jet age and era of open borders with almost non existent travel restrictions the virus was allowed to spread freely...even now not enough is being done to restrict the movement of people, particularly those coming from global hotspots...only the other day did Australia ban visitors.

                  Australia is a good example of this...we are an island, that in itself should be a bonus to the flow of people, instead the authorities were slow to restrict visa holders from entering the country, initially China, South Korea and Iran were on the banned list but the authorities were reluctant to include places like Italy and the US.

                  Most of Australia's cases have been exclusively from those countries, including the USA.

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                  • Stojacanec
                    Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 809

                    #54
                    The Chinese have the open door policy to migration and education in Australia. Migration rate has doubled from 2008. The Indian migration rate has tripled since 2008 so they are catching up to the Chinese.

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                    • Carlin
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 3332

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                      From what I have been reading it suggests that it has been a combination of factors that have contributed to the 'perfect storm'...

                      Factors include:

                      - Elderly demographic
                      - In the middle of a very bad flu season
                      - Lax initial response to the problem
                      - The social culture of the Italians to mix, embrace etc
                      - Possibly urban density in the large cities (i.e. people living in appartments)

                      At the end of the day, countries all over the world will have to consider how they handled this from the perspective of travel and entry into countries.
                      Arguably not enough was done to scrutinise people coming and going...in the jet age and era of open borders with almost non existent travel restrictions the virus was allowed to spread freely...even now not enough is being done to restrict the movement of people, particularly those coming from global hotspots...only the other day did Australia ban visitors.

                      Australia is a good example of this...we are an island, that in itself should be a bonus to the flow of people, instead the authorities were slow to restrict visa holders from entering the country, initially China, South Korea and Iran were on the banned list but the authorities were reluctant to include places like Italy and the US.

                      Most of Australia's cases have been exclusively from those countries, including the USA.
                      The same factors outlined for Italy might apply to Spain as well.

                      Spain has overtaken Iran and is now in "third place" with basically 20,000 cases already.

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                      • Gocka
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 2306

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                        The same factors outlined for Italy might apply to Spain as well.

                        Spain has overtaken Iran and is now in "third place" with basically 20,000 cases already.
                        I would argue those same factors apply to half or not all of Europe

                        The Balkans and much of Eastern Europe all have aging populations, who smoke in high numbers, who live together, and have close daily social contact. France has to be on that list too, as well as North Africa and the middle east.

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                        • Carlin
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3332

                          #57
                          Vox Video - How the wildlife trade causes pandemics
                          And why the disease first appeared in China.NOTE: As our expert Peter Li points out in the video, “The majority of the people in China do not eat wildlife an...

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                          • Gocka
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 2306

                            #58
                            Italy had its worst day so far in terms of deaths and new infections 627 and 6000 respectively. They are sending in military to help enforce the lockdown.

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                            • Phoenix
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 4671

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                              Vox Video - How the wildlife trade causes pandemics
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54
                              It really is as simple as personal hygiene and not eating vermin.

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                              • Phoenix
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 4671

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                                Italy had its worst day so far in terms of deaths and new infections 627 and 6000 respectively. They are sending in military to help enforce the lockdown.
                                Apparently the lockdown has had minimal impact on the spread of the virus...perhaps it is still too early to make a noticeable difference or is it that the Italians are flaunting the advice to lockdown...?

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