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Prolet 11-16-2009 08:48 AM

I must say SOM im real impressed with your last response because that is exactly how us as Macedonians should be reacting to something like this. Krassimir Karakachanov has spent his whole life denying everything there is about Macedonia, he has the nerve to say on Vasko Eftov's show that the so called Macedonians are leading Bulgaria while in Macedonia the Vlachs are controlling our country.

This man has provoked many so called Bugarofili in Macedonia to spread their propaganda a garbage around and feed our people with lies that we are Bulgarians and that we speak the Bulgarian Language.

For the record, we dont have a Problem with Bulgaria or its people we dont deny the Bulgarian language,nation or Flag so we expect the same from them to return the favor there is thin red line here and nobody is allowed to cross it, we can be friends sure but we are Macedonians and they are Bulgarians nothing more nothing less if they cant agree to that then its their problem not ours.

ZAS, Its a shame to see photos like this because these so called hardcore Macedonians are killing our dignity (Dostoinstvo) how can these people have their photos taken with somebody who doesn't approve of them??

SOM, Dan Donchev is another who sat at the same table as Karakachanov and then in an interview with Ico said that he didnt even know who he was he just happened to meet up with him on the day its quite funny really.

Prolet 11-16-2009 08:58 AM

UMD, there is something in common here we should show respect to ourselves i do believe next time you make official statements you need to put a bit of sting or venom into what you guys are objecting to or demanding.

Maybe next time the Kosovo Parliamentary speaker decides to put our country down you can give you a real slap in the face diplomatically instead of holding back on him like he is the leader of the most powerful country, when we are being attacked in the media i dont think you guys should just hold back and give out weak statements that nobody would even bother to listen to, a hard line approach is needed whenever we are attacked by Greece,Bulgaria,Kosovo,Albania,Serbia or anybody even the people within Macedonia who gives Anti Macedonian Statements.

Soldier of Macedon 11-16-2009 09:17 AM

It's quite simple Prolet, sho majka baraje tamu? We know for a fact that Karakachanov doesn't attend pro-Macedonian functions, so does that mean that the other two were attending a pro-Bulgarian function? Since when is such an animal 'just mingling' with apparently good and 'hardline' Macedonians? What's next, Boza Dimitrov 'accidentally' snapped in a photo with another Macedonian identity while he was sky diving off the Pirin?
[QUOTE=""]Move your discussion to a thread solely about "LjuBe Boskovski."[/QUOTE]
You know, I am not one to often speak up in criticism of the UMD, even when they have made errors, but I am disappointed, with you in particular. Your earlier response on page 2 of this thread to Risto the Great's question still bothers me somewhat. Are you not a representative of the UMD? Can a non-representative post promotional material about the UMD? Or do representatives refrain from providing simple answers to simple questions?

While I too generally dislike it when threads are steered off topic, I feel compelled to answer you in kind in this instance, until you at least muster some sort of response to RtG's question.
[QUOTE]You can direct such requests to [email][email protected][/email] and a MTO representative will get back to you.[/QUOTE]

Soldier of Macedon 11-16-2009 09:21 AM

[QUOTE="Risto the Great"]I have emailed the following text to [email][email protected][/email]:

[QUOTE]Hello there fellow Macedonians.

I am one of the Administrators on the Macedonian Truth forum.
The following link defines a "work in progreess" we call the Macedonian Cause.

I am convinced that an adherence to this cause by organisations representing Macedonians abroad will ensure a consistency and familiarity between organisations that will in time help to form an umbrella that all can benefit from.
Can I ask you if you find any of the wording offensive?
If the UMD is not willing to embrace such a cause then I would like to know where specifically it departs from the sentiments conveyed. Suggested changes, if deemed necessary, to the wording would be appreciated.

For the benefit of the forum participants, I would like to make your response public and wish to advise you in advance.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
How did you go with that RtG, има нешчо?

Prolet 11-16-2009 10:01 AM

SOM, Bozidar Dimitrov and Krassimir Karakachanov are the biggest Anti Macedonians in Bulgaria, i think they should be blacklisted from even coming to Macedonia. We dont need those two coming to Macedonia and spreading their filth on our people.

[QUOTE]sho majka baraje tamu?[/QUOTE]

Thats exactly what im thinking, unless they went to give him a few tupajnci i dont see a reason why they should be with him hugging eachother in the photo. The fact that Karakachanov openly states that he is a Macedonian yet i've never ever seen him wave a Macedonian flag they all bring out Bulgarian flags its really very funny their arguments are so lame that even a kid would laugh at them.

UMD, I think its only fair that you answer to Risto's question, surly somebody from UMD can answer this simple question. 11-16-2009 10:24 AM

The questions sent to UMD's e-mail are being reviewed by UMD Director of Public Policy Boban Jovanovski ([email protected]). is only for posting announcements to public forums.

Soldier of Macedon 11-16-2009 10:33 AM

There are several UMD members here that could do that.

And you, are not a robot, so don't insult my intelligence by pretending to be one. Your lack of character as an individual doesn't look too well on the people you are trying to represent, I find you arrogant, not a good trait for a promoter, even of the robot type. Careful your pre-programmed indifference doesn't come to be considered as spamming. 11-16-2009 10:39 AM

SoM, nobody is insulting your intelligence. is only for posting public announcements on the MacedonianTruth Forum, which UMD has found important to post its announcements on. MacedonianTruth Forum, as other Macedonian forums are important to the development and furthering of the Macedonian cause. United, We Can!

The message has been sent to the appropriate individual on UMD's Board of Directors to answer any questions. UMD is a professional organization and we intend to maintain that professionalism.

We apologize for any misunderstandings this thread may have caused. If anyone has any questions, please e-mail [email][email protected][/email] or call (202) 756-2244.

Prolet 11-16-2009 12:03 PM

UMD, you should be here to communicate with our users, if we want to read announcements we would visit the UMD website.

Risto the Great 11-16-2009 06:32 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;27153]How did you go with that RtG, има нешчо?[/QUOTE]

I received the following response today:
We thank you for your e-mail and the opportunity to inform you about our mission and policy. UMD President Metodija A. Koloski has made me aware he has tried to contact you regarding this matter. He will be in Australia for the entire month of February to meet with the Macedonian community.

The United Macedonian Diaspora addresses the interests and needs of Macedonians and Macedonian communities throughout the world.

As made public on UMD's website and through countless public appearances, media statements, and written documents, UMD's main goals are to foster unity among Macedonian people, and [B]advance their cause. [/B]We work to promote our historical, spiritual and cultural heritage while advancing the Macedonian tradition within the framework of various advocacy, educational, and charitable programs.

Our objectives include, but are not limited to, safeguarding the rights of Macedonians around the world; strengthening unity among the Macedonian Diaspora; acting with and on behalf of Macedonian communities before governmental and international bodies; cooperating with the international community, promoting the universal ideas of peace, freedom, self-determination, and equality.

UMD takes seriously its mission. Per UMD’s mission, UMD has rigorously defended Macedonian interests through various media, including educational advocacy of elected officials, charitable efforts, and socio-cultural events. UMD’s stance on the recognition and support of the constitutional and ancestral name is unequivocal. For issues of clarity, UMD categorically rejects any and all changes imposed or otherwise, and will always refer to the Republic of Macedonia, Macedonians, and the Macedonian language as such.

Additionally, UMD, through its actions has raised awareness and advocated for the resolution of all human rights issues facing Macedonians in the Balkans and around the world.

Please e-mail me at [email][email protected][/email] if you have any specific questions.


Boban Jovanovski
Co-Founder and Director of Public Policy [email][email protected][/email]

I am disappointed I missed Mr Koloski's call. Naturally, I hope we may meet next year.

I feel I did have specific questions that related to exactly where the UMD differs in ideology from the Macedonian Cause as defined on this forum. But it was not addressed.

I note from the highlighted text above that the UMD is willing to advance various Macedonian's [I]causes[/I]. But am not sure what I can take from such a statement given the lack of enthusiasm to assist with the definition.

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