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Orovnichanec 12-30-2008 12:16 AM

I agree and disagree. The problem is that RMK makes it a personal vendetta on people, and alot of it is because he either misreads something or reads something that he wants to rather then what is actually there. You think RMK actually cared about any of that? I really do not.

I applaud UMD for all the work they have done, and wish more Macedonian organizations appear that are as strong as UMD, because we need them.

Rogi 12-30-2008 01:02 AM

I'm on the maknews forum every day and I am one of the UMD Board Members.

I think I have answered any and every question that gets thrown UMD's way, of course, I answer them in my own view (and in the way that I put my vote on the UMD Board)... why does everyone feel that it has to be Meto who answers the questions? Besides, if Meto were to answer any questions (as the same with me) it would his own view, not the view of UMD.

If anyone had specific questions, it is best to send them to UMD's official email, let it become an internal topic for discussion (if it is not clear-cut) and then UMD will come out with its official response. In fact, I urge everyone to do that, it will just help make everything clearer for everyone (including those of us on the Board, who want to know exactly where everyone stands on every issue).

There are 9 of us on the Board, each of us have an equal say and vote. There are differences in views amongst us, just like all Macedonians, so we try to find a common ground (or we might argue and take it to a vote) but I keep telling people that the best way to get things going is by getting involved and have your say from inside the organisation.

Soldier of Macedon 12-30-2008 01:14 AM

[QUOTE=Krste Misirkov;7372]I agree and disagree. The problem is that RMK makes it a personal vendetta on people, and alot of it is because he either misreads something or reads something that he wants to rather then what is actually there. You think RMK actually cared about any of that? I really do not.

I applaud UMD for all the work they have done, and wish more Macedonian organizations appear that are as strong as UMD, because we need them.[/QUOTE]
From what I have seen KM seems to be correct in his observations, and some things should remain for Macedonian eyes only. Having said that however, there are some interesting points made by RTG that need to be addressed so we can get some clarity where it concerns certain operational elements of the UMD. Whether or not this is the right platform for it I don't know, but clearly there are some issues to be resolved before we get past this tension that only holds back our cause. The clashing of heads is inevitable, but if that is the case then operate independently from each other, that way everybody can do their bit without hindrance to the cause.

More walk and less talk by those that are in the apparent position to make a positive 'difference' and further the Macedonian cause. Rather than persistently pointing out what is wrong, how about some efforts to highlight what and how we should be doing things right, that can be corroborated and followed through effectively.

Risto the Great 12-30-2008 02:26 AM

[QUOTE=Rogi;7373]I'm on the maknews forum every day and I am one of the UMD Board Members.

I think I have answered any and every question that gets thrown UMD's way, of course, I answer them in my own view (and in the way that I put my vote on the UMD Board)... why does everyone feel that it has to be Meto who answers the questions? Besides, if Meto were to answer any questions (as the same with me) it would his own view, not the view of UMD. [/QUOTE]
Rogi, I thoroughly believe your (personal) intent is without question. I also appreciate what you are saying about Meto. But if I am promoting my group on a public forum, then I will answer on behalf of my group in the same place. If I deviate from the group's consensus, then I will correct myself and move on. Too many times I saw the "my personal opinion is ... " instead of "we stand for ...".

At this point I should make it clear that I was heavily impressed with many of the UMD's actions over the last 12 months and encouraged many people to join during this time. With quite a degree of success I might add. So I will always support organisations with ideals that are congruent with the betterment of Macedonian issues as they relate to my personal beliefs.

The first time I was miffed with the UMD was when a particularly sensitive issue was planted in Maknews without the ability to post replies. It did not send the right message and thankfully did not happen again.

Admittedly, I have not immersed myself in many of the recent online battles. But I still ask myself, why bother self-promoting in an online forum if you then cannot reply to the participants in an official capacity on behalf of the same organisation? If you are going to do it ... do it all the way! Otherwise, have a couple of links on the main page and let the forums be a place for people to communicate freely.

Sarafot 12-30-2008 04:19 AM

UMD seems to be strong organisation,probebly stronger then WMK,i wonder can UMD help us in Slovenia to? We need strong organisation here to,becouse this here is nothing.:confused:

Jankovska 12-30-2008 05:12 AM

I think they need time and a chance, Rome was not build in one night. This is important stuff, we can not expect everything to happen overnight. However bitching about their work like RMK and Vangelvoski while posting crap all day long is just stupid. If we don't agree with anything and have any suggestions than they have an email and have encouraged everyone to do so. Personal attacks and bitching does not make the UMD sound like a professional org and they should never be put in that position. Macedonians are always good at critics but sometimes they go to far.

Sarafot 12-30-2008 05:31 AM

What is RMK

Jankovska 12-30-2008 07:06 AM

[QUOTE=Sarafot;7403]What is RMK[/QUOTE]

RMK is a member on the maknews forum, which I believe is where all this started.

Pelister 12-30-2008 10:03 PM

UMD's real agenda
 
Don't be fooled by UMD.

Who they claim to be and what they claim to stand for closely resembles the old Bulgarian and Greek organizations who fooled the average Macedonian that they were on our side, and working in the interests of Macedonians.

Take a closer look at UMD.

UMD,

1. Believes the dispute is legitimate
2. Believes Greece has legitimate grievances
3. Believes that Greeks can be Macedonians too
4. UMD Believes the Macedonian leadership MUST CHANGE THE NAME if it is to survive.
5. Meto himself has set out to "revise" Macedonian History. He believes the modern idea of "Macedonian Nationality" includes Greeks, Albanians and others and is trying to prove that this has always been the case [I]historically[/I].
6. UMD "staged" a petition. UMD falsely and deceptively portrays its membership base by referring to the number of signatures on this petition.
7. UMD is a political club and its membership base is TINY. It is NOT the voice of the Macedonian diaspora even though it deceptively claims to be. The Macedonian leadership and politicians and Macedonians everywhere need to be aware of this fact.

Risto the Great 12-30-2008 10:17 PM

[QUOTE=Pelister;7471]
4. UMD Believes the Macedonian leadership MUST CHANGE THE NAME if it is to survive.[/QUOTE]
Why do you get this impression Pelister?
The mission statement I included above and other statements on the UMD website directly contradict your statement above.


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