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Bratot 09-24-2008 01:02 PM

Macedonian "Yankee" in the I World War
 
As Macedonian immigrants arrived to U.S. they were living the full freedom od self determination.

From the beginning of the I World War in 1914, the U.S.A. holded up a neutral position and managed to kept itself away being involved in the "Big War".

But that position was abandoned in 1917, when 24 millions od American recruits were sent to participate in the war.

Among those recruits were soldiers of Macedonian origin from Ohio.

Facing the opportunity to declare themself as "Bulgarians" and to avoid the recruitation, they chosed to remain Macedonians, and gave their lives in the war.

According to the proclamation of the President of the U.S.A., [B]Woodrow Wilson,[/B] all man of German origin, including the allies of Germany, were declared as alienated enemies and were discharged from army service.

So, Bulgaria as a German ally was included in this proclamation of the U.S. President. All man of Bugarian origin were released from the recruitation.

These brave Macedonians, chosed to fight in this war along with the American troops, and to die only as [B]MACEDONIANS[/B]

PointOfInterest: [B]1924 State of MACEDONIA[/B]


[IMG]http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/miskoni_album/picture-1.jpg[/IMG]

Royal Hellas 09-24-2008 01:17 PM

What country does it say he was born in?

Bratot 09-24-2008 01:27 PM

[QUOTE=Royal Hellas;3312]What country does it say he was born in?[/QUOTE]


Village of [URL="http://www.maplandia.com/macedonia/resen/resen/podmocani/"]PODMOCANI[/URL], MACEDONIA.

Daskalot 09-24-2008 02:54 PM

Bravo Brate, odlichno!!

Risto the Great 09-24-2008 06:41 PM

Excellent post Bratot.
Welcome.

Dimko-piperkata 01-01-2009 06:48 AM

Documents of Macedonian Immigration
 
[quote]These are excerpts of documents from the Russian imperial government in 18th century AD, showing the presence of the Macedonian nation in imperial Russia's territory and military units.
This is just another reply to all those who claim that the Macedonian nation is not Macedonian and that it has been "invented" within Yugoslavia.
These documents (their sources are also given, for reference) clearly state that the Macedonian nation was mentioned as existing alongside the Serbian, Bulgarian and Vlach nations (but not as being a part of either of those) two centuries before Yugoslavia existed.

Credits: [url]http://www.gate.net/~mango/18thC_Russian_Docs.htm[/url] is the link where the images of these documents can be found.[/quote]
source
[url]http://video-mk.blogspot.com/2008/12/macedonians-in-russia.html[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8er2i42fSU]YouTube - Macedonians in Russia in 18th century AD - Russian documents[/url]

Sarafot 01-01-2009 06:59 AM

Here are some of them:

[url]http://www.gate.net/~mango/18thC_Russian_Docs.htm[/url]

Daskalot 01-01-2009 07:19 AM

here is more:
[URL="http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/05/04/macedonian-immigration-in-russia-1763-1765/"]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/05/04/macedonian-immigration-in-russia-1763-1765/[/URL]

[URL="http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/03/14/macedonians-in-the-russian-empire-18th-century/"]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/03/14/macedonians-in-the-russian-empire-18th-century/[/URL]

please read it all......

Sarafot 01-01-2009 07:20 AM

I thoth so.:o

Sarafot 01-01-2009 07:22 AM

[QUOTE=Daskalot;7616]here is more:
[URL="http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/05/04/macedonian-immigration-in-russia-1763-1765/"]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/05/04/macedonian-immigration-in-russia-1763-1765/[/URL]

[URL="http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/03/14/macedonians-in-the-russian-empire-18th-century/"]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/2008/03/14/macedonians-in-the-russian-empire-18th-century/[/URL]

please read it all......[/QUOTE]

You can delete my post,sorry,i forgot about they were here also,sory.

Daskalot 01-01-2009 07:22 AM

[QUOTE=Sarafot;7617]I thoth so.:o[/QUOTE]

;)

The Macedonian regiment in Russia!

[QUOTE]The author present the data about members of Serbian regiments in New Serbia, that is, Slavonic Serbia, who declared themselves as Macedonians. In Sevic’s regiment 74 persons declared that they came from the “Macedonian nation”. According to the Russian author Kabuzanov, in 1754 in New Serbia there were 2,225 persons, out of which 124 Macedonians.
In 1759 the Macedonian hussar regiment was formed. The commander of the regiment was Aleksij Kostjurin, and the supreme commander of all regiments was Jovan Horvat. According to the data from 1765–1769 out of the total of 271 merchants who were registered in the “Nezin Greek Fraternity”, 54 declared that they were from the “Macedonian province”, mostly from Kostur, Thessalonica, Vodena, Skoplje and Strumica.
The Macedonian regiment was terminated in 1773. The dislocated population adapted to the new environment and by the time passing they became ethnically assimilated.[/QUOTE]

Taken form “Preseljenitsi iz Makedonije u Rusko Tsarstvo sredinom 18. veka” by Milka Zdraveva, page 145.

Thorvald 01-05-2009 05:11 AM

The Macedonian Diaspora
 
Significant Macedonian communities can also be found in the traditional immigrant-receiving nations, as well as in Western European countries. It should be noted that census data in many European countries (such as Italy and Germany) does not take into account the ethnicity of émigrés from the Republic of Macedonia:

Argentina: Many Macedonians of Argentina are the descendants of the "pečalbari" (seasonal workers) who came to Argentina in the early 20th century. Many decided to stay in Argentina setting up Macedonian colonies in the Pampas and other regions. Most Macedonians can be found in Buenos Aires, the Pampas and Córdoba. An estimated 30,000 Macedonians can be found in Argentina.

Australia: The official number of Macedonians in Australia by birthplace or birthplace of parents is 83,893 (2001). The main Macedonian communities are found in Melbourne, Geelong, Sydney, Wollongong, Newcastle, Canberra and Perth. (The 2006 Australian Census included a question of 'ancestry' which, according to Members of the Australian-Macedonian Community, this will result in a 'significant' increase of 'ethnic Macedonians' in Australia. However, the 2006 census recorded 83,983 people of Macedonian (ethnic) ancestry.)

Canada: The Canadian census in 2001 records 37,705 individuals claimed wholly or partly Macedonian heritage in Canada , although community spokesmen have claimed that there are actually 100,000-150,000 Macedonians in Canada

USA: A significant Macedonian community can be found in the United States of America. The official number of Macedonians in the USA is 49,455 (2004). The Macedonian community is located mainly in Michigan, New York, Ohio, Indiana and New Jersey.

Germany: There are an estimated 61,000 citizens of the Republic of Macedonia in Germany (mostly in the Ruhrgebiet) (2001).

Italy: There are 74, 162 citizens of the Republic of Macedonia in Italy (Foreign Citizens in Italy).

Switzerland: In 2006 the Swiss Government recorded 60,362 Macedonian Citizens living in Switzerland.

Romania: Ethnic Macedonians are an officially recognised minority group in Romania. They have a special reserved seat in the nations parliament. In 2002, they numbered 731.

Slovenia: Ethnic Macedonians began relocating to Slovenia in the 1950s when the two regions formed a part of a single country, Yugoslavia.

Other significant ethnic Macedonian communities can also be found in the other Western European countries such as Austria, France, Switzerland, Netherlands, United Kingdom, etc. Also in Uruguay, with a significant population in Montevideo.

Source:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_(ethnic_group)#The_Macedonian_Diaspora[/url]

Soldier of Macedon 01-05-2009 07:54 AM

Welcome to the forum brother and thank you for that information.

You have a very interesting username, sounds like some Medieval warrior;) Thorvald, dobro ni doide, sho znachi toa?

Soldier of Macedon 01-05-2009 08:37 AM

Germanic warrior?:D

Dimko-piperkata 01-05-2009 08:49 AM

ne e nash, od holandija poteknuvat, imat makedonski drugari pa zatoa se zachleni ovde kaj nas.

prevod/übersetzung
habe ihm gerade nur geschrieben, dass du kein makedone bist sondern ein holländer der makeonische kollegen hat und du dich deswegen hier angemeldet hast.

Thorvald 01-05-2009 06:18 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;8170]Germanic warrior?:D[/QUOTE]

Ofcourse. Iam a Germanic in the first place:)

I took the name after:

[QUOTE]
Thorvald Ericsson (old Icelandic: Þorvaldr Eiríksson) was the son of Eric the Red and brother of Leif Ericsson. According to the sagas, he was part of an expedition for the exploration of Vinland.

As he was unloading his longboat, for no apparent reason, a "Uniped," as the saga calls it, ran up to Thorvald and shot him in the belly with a bow and arrow, a wound which led to his death. His last words were said to have been, "This is a rich country we have found; there is plenty of fat around my belly. We've found a land of fine resources, though we'll hardly enjoy most of them."[/QUOTE]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorvald_Eriksson[/url]

I've a great interest in the Nordic Germanic tradition, culture, linquistics and history.

Sarafot 01-07-2009 07:10 AM

That is a VIKING name isnt it?:)

Thorvald 01-07-2009 07:58 AM

[QUOTE=Sarafot;8532]That is a VIKING name isnt it?:)[/QUOTE]

Thats very right :)

Sarafot 01-07-2009 08:07 AM

[QUOTE=Thorvald;8546]Thats very right :)[/QUOTE]

I like Vikings,like Odin and thouse.....:)

Thorvald 01-07-2009 08:10 AM

[QUOTE=Sarafot;8548]I like Vikings,like Odin and thouse.....:)[/QUOTE]

You have a excellent interests :)

Sarafot 01-07-2009 08:56 AM

[QUOTE=Thorvald;8550]You have a excellent interests :)[/QUOTE]

You know where i came from there is a mine called Sasa,some peoples say that the name was given by Germans=Sasi, they say that they were a good miners....?:confused:

But could explain all the blondes around Maleshevia and Sofia.:D JOKE!

Wellcome

Thorvald 01-07-2009 09:18 AM

[QUOTE=Sarafot;8554]You know where i came from there is a mine called Sasa,some peoples say that the name was given by Germans=Sasi, they say that they were a good miners....?:confused:

But could explain all the blondes around Maleshevia and Sofia.:D JOKE!

Wellcome[/QUOTE]

I've heard that story about the Sasa, originally Saxon miners, although wikipedia info is very limited on it.

Apparently there were Saxons in Serbia and Bulgaria too.

makedonin 01-07-2009 09:51 AM

Hi Thorvald, welcome on the Forum.


I just read aobut the Saxons so wanted to ask you if you know something more on it.

I have found this long time ago and don't know what to think of it, but maybe you can figure more out:


[QUOTE][B]That the Saxons were some Remains of the Macedonian Army[/B]; and that before they came into Germany, they
were called Macedonians ; for this he quotes the German Chronicle, printed at Mentz, in 1482. the Annals of Freezland, and
others.

[URL="http://agema-makedonin.blogspot.com/2007/12/saxons-remains-of-macedonian-hairs.html"]Source [/URL]
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] The originall and Etymologie of the Saxons, like as of other nations, not onely Monkes ignorant, as they were, in learned antiquitie, but also latter Writers, being men of some exact and exquisite judgment, have enwrapped with forged and fained fables. Some derive them and their name from Saxo, the sonne of Negnon and brother of Vandalus, others of their stonie nature,[B] some from the remaines of the Macedonian armie[/B], others of certain knives, whereupon was made that ryme in Engelhusius:

For sax with them and Short-sword is the same,
From whence it’ s though the Saxon tooke his name.

[URL="http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/cambrit/angsaxeng.html"]Source[/URL]

[/QUOTE]


I don't want to prove here anything but rather ask you if you have more on this? If you can share your thoughts on it, I would apreciate it.

Ich habe es versucht mehr infos über die Sache zu holen, leider habe ich keine Möglickeit mehr dies nachzugehen.

Grüße

Dimko-piperkata 01-07-2009 10:53 AM

ihr braucht keine sachsen und keine maxen

lest euch den linken deutschen text durch, dann sollte euch vieles klar werden....

[URL=http://e.imagehost.org/view/0028/Makedonide][IMG]http://e.imagehost.org/t/0028/Makedonide.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

makedonin 01-07-2009 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=Dimko-piperkata;8562]ihr braucht keine sachsen und keine maxen

lest euch den linken deutschen text durch, dann sollte euch vieles klar werden....[/QUOTE]

Dimko, warum gibt es solche sachen nur in unseren Büchern?

Ich habe nirgends eine Referenz zu dem zittierten Text auf dem schlecht eingescannten artikel gesehen.

Weißt du wo wir z.B. den Original Text finden? Das wäre ja mal spannend, so gesehen ist dies nix wert für mich !

Dimko-piperkata 01-07-2009 11:25 AM

[QUOTE=makedonin;8563]Dimko, warum gibt es solche sachen nur in unseren Büchern?

Ich habe nirgends eine Referenz zu dem zittierten Text auf dem schlecht eingescannten artikel gesehen.

Weißt du wo wir z.B. den Original Text finden? Das wäre ja mal spannend, so gesehen ist dies nix wert für mich ![/QUOTE]
lol
gegenfrage, wieso sind alle unsere nachbarn so geil auf unsere geschichte, kultur, gen ???

wieso wird alles versucht uns zu leugnen ???

wieso werden fakten verheimlicht und der öffentlichkeit nicht preis gegeben ???

wieso poltert ein "slovak/anomaly/tomas" ständig gegen solche aussagen wie sie popovski mit fakten belegt ???

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZMZ3QymLXc]YouTube - Petar Popovski - Greek Government allows MURDERING only to HIDE the TRUTH about MACEDONIA !!![/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNvvcqwu8ZM]YouTube - Petar Popovski - the TRUTH behind the TOMB from Philip II of MACEDON !!![/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sl9KOqV1Gs]YouTube - Petar Popovski - Hellenism NEVER exists, its all greek falsifications !!![/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXqwcbHcvU]YouTube - Petar Popovski - Macedonians are the creator of the Olympic Games, greece lies to the world !!![/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piq0POEjRD8]YouTube - Petar Popovski - who has the right on MACEDONIAN identity ???[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly3Gyq-5XGo]YouTube - Petar Popovski - HOMERs Iliad & Odyssey cant be understood from any greek coz its written in Macedonian language !!![/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm81vj0LmG8]YouTube - Petar Popovski - toponymy and entymology are of Macedonian descent, greeks are THIEVES !!![/url]


die antwort liegt auf der hand oder ;)

makedonin 01-07-2009 11:49 AM

[QUOTE=Dimko-piperkata;8566]lol
gegenfrage, wieso sind alle unsere nachbarn so geil auf unsere geschichte, kultur, gen ???

wieso wird alles versucht uns zu leugnen ???

wieso werden fakten verheimlicht und der öffentlichkeit nicht preis gegeben ???
die antwort liegt auf der hand oder ;)[/QUOTE]

Dimko, ich möchte keinen Streit anfangen!

Ich habe nur gefragt, weil das eigentlich ganz große Sache wäre,wenn wir den ursprungliche Publizist kennen würden.

Und für die gegenfrage, meine ansicht nach, ist sehr simpel. Landnahme.

Solange das Land von keinem Volk in Anspruch genommen werden kann, so lange können die die Beute behaten.


Ich betone, ich möchte keinen Streit mit dir anfangen, ich habe nur nach der Referenz gefragt ! hast du sie ?

Dimko-piperkata 01-07-2009 12:36 PM

batka, ich streite doch nicht mit dir [IMG]http://e.imagehost.org/0511/ladysman.gif[/IMG]

die seite ist aus diesem aktuellen buch hier
[URL=http://e.imagehost.org/view/0201/filipII][IMG]http://e.imagehost.org/t/0201/filipII.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

die autoren kannst du hier kontaktieren

[url]http://www.ristopopovski.com/[/url]
und
[url]http://www.angelinamarkus.com/[/url]

Daskalot 04-04-2009 03:19 AM

Macedonians noted as good track laborers, 1916!
 
Title page.
[IMG]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/practical_track_maintenance-00x.png[/IMG]

Page 5, table of contents.
[IMG]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/practical_track_maintenance-05.png[/IMG]

Page 10, foreword.
[IMG]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/practical_track_maintenance-10.png[/IMG]

Page 63.
[IMG]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/practical_track_maintenance-63.png[/IMG]

Source: "Practical Track Maintenance" by Kenneth L. Van Auken, pages 5, 10, 63. First published in 1916, second edition 1921.


Again Macedonians are noted, Tito must have been a very crafty man when he decided to create us.

Greeks, Bulgars and Serbs what is your take on this information?

Macedonian propaganda maybe?

osiris 04-04-2009 05:30 AM

my great grandfather and one of his sons worked on the railways for a short while. i notice they not only identify people as macedonians but also distinguish them from the bugari. this is a great find well done brate.

Bratot 04-04-2009 06:08 AM

Excellent find Daskalot!

Sarafot 04-04-2009 04:24 PM

Znae se koj se rabotnici?Ko bi bile taka i smeli?A ušte tolku po obedineti kako šo rabotat??
Daskalot e car!

Daskalot 04-04-2009 04:37 PM

thank you all for your nice words..... let me tell you all a BIG secret.....

..... there is more to be found.... ;)

Risto the Great 04-04-2009 05:42 PM

Daskalot, that was a surprising yet excellent find.
I am quite sure the Macedonians could easily have been foremen, but that job was for Americans only. I note they are "as dependable as American foremen as far as their knowledge goes".

I note no Greeks on the list, perhaps they were mixed in with the Bulgarians or Italians .... una fazza ....

Daskalot 04-04-2009 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;14818]Daskalot, that was a surprising yet excellent find.
I am quite sure the Macedonians could easily have been foremen, but that job was for Americans only. I note they are "as dependable as American foremen as far as their knowledge goes".

I note no Greeks on the list, perhaps they were mixed in with the Bulgarians or Italians .... una fazza ....[/QUOTE]

Thank you RtG, una razza...... :p

I really do not understand how the Greeks etc can be so in denial, when we have numerous sources claiming otherwise..... I must assume that most Greeks are really below average IQ thus impairing their level of comprehension.

Soldier of Macedon 04-04-2009 09:40 PM

This is a good find Daskalot, all examples of distinction between Macedonian and Bulgarian in American records is valuable information.

makedonin 04-06-2009 02:36 AM

Daskale, gi nadaska grcive :D

Samo napred

TrueMacedonian 04-06-2009 02:50 AM

Great find Daskalot. And you are right, there is more to be found.

Rogi 04-06-2009 04:57 AM

It also distinguishes between 'Slavs' and Macedonians.
Significant indeed.


I have to wonder though, do all these great finds that are being uncovered end up in the hands of those who write and teach history and those who decide global policies? Or do we find such items and read them ourselves only?

Daskalot 04-06-2009 06:40 AM

Rogi, I am a Truth seeker, a messenger and a teacher. The information I find is posted on the Internet thus making it possible for people to find it. A more direct way would be to announce our findings to the Macedonian Academia, what are your thoughts and suggestions?


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