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Risto the Great 06-22-2009 07:17 AM

Powerful comments Giorikas.
I assume you actually feel your opinion is reasonable and based on sound logic.
Please clarify how this seems a reasonable outcome for you/

Soldier of Macedon 06-22-2009 07:18 AM

You stupid animals try to deny my right to exist by the name chosen by my people, and you say that I am playing the victim? North Macedonian language?

You dumb, stupid racist. There it is, proof that you are a fuckwit and every single neohellenic wombat that thinks like you is the same.

makedonche 06-23-2009 02:02 AM

Ivanov Freezes Relations With Advisors
 
Take a look at what Sam Vaknin political journo, wrote about the Americans intentions on the name issue at :- [url]http://www.globalpolitician.com/25673-macedonia-greece-nato-european-union[/url]
If the Americans/Nato/European Union insist on the name change maybe it's time we invited Russia/China/India to discuss alliances.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;18617]An appropriate action.



Dear Mr Nimetz, if you are committed to robbing a nation of its sovereignty and undermining its rights as afforded under United Nations charters, please feel free to visit us in Macedonia as opposed to "summoning" our diplomats like lambs to the slaughter.[/QUOTE]

Risto the Great 06-23-2009 02:19 AM

Yes Makedonche,
From your link:[QUOTE]
FANTASY NUMBER 4: Even if there is a referendum in Macedonia on a proposed solution, the West will make sure that it succeeds[/QUOTE]
You have suggested the RIC ... you missed one ... Brazil.
Not only because of the bikinis ... but because they were vulnerable until very recently and might understand what we are on about.

Either way, the USA does not have a special place in its heart for Macedonia and should be treated only as good as its most recent commitment(s).

Risto the Great 06-23-2009 02:47 AM

Would you support Macedonia
 
If it pulled out of all negotiations?

Do you think the level of support would be different within Macedonia vs. outside in the Diaspora?

Would support from Diaspora Macedonians increase or decrease after the pullout?

If the support increases, how would this support manifest itself?

Would this have a flow on effect within Macedonia?

[URL="http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=megan+gale&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq="][COLOR="Blue"]Megan Gale[/COLOR][/URL] or [URL="http://images.google.com.au/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=miranda+kerr&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq="][COLOR="Blue"]Miranda Kerr[/COLOR][/URL]?

Rogi 06-23-2009 03:25 AM

Of course we'll support Macedonia, and much more so than ever before.

If Macedonia pulled out of the negotiations, that would kick up pride among Macedonians (all over), it would be a complete change (a refreshing change) from the defeatist Macedonia we have seen to date.

A strong and bold move from Macedonia standing up in such away to defend itself against Greece, which has been trying to destroy us for over 100 years, will reinvigorate the Macedonian spirit.

It will be the David and Goliath story, told among all Macedonians - the modern heroic story of the Macedonians standing up for themselves, to be told to our children and grandchildren.

There will be euphoria and pride in the Macedonian nation more so than there was in 1991 during Independence. It would signal a whole new beginning and belief in the nation. I am certain that such a move would generate much more interest in Macedonia among Macedonians all over the world.

That would be more enough to show the Macedonians around the world (who have largely lost hope due to corruption, scandals, etc) that Macedonia IS worth fighting for and the Macedonian people in Macedonia ARE prepared to keep Macedonia and a new dawn is upon Macedonia.

It will open the gates for Macedonians in the Diaspora to invest in Macedonia, with a whole new belief and a new hope in Macedonia




In the alternate scenario, if Macedonia gives in and changes the name, it will destroy whatever hope and belief there is for Macedonians around the world in the Republic of Macedonia and its existential purpose as the Guardian and Home of the Macedonian people and the Macedonian identity.

This means no interest in Macedonia, no hope and belief in Macedonia, it will no longer really be the home and guardian of the Macedonians rather it would become a nameless, faceless nation-state on paper, nothing unique about it.

You'll see a lot more Macedonian prepared to leave the country, particularly among the Macedonian patriots presently living there. That would then open the doors to corruption and disintegration. Everyone will look out for themselves, not the nation, you will lose a lot of patriotism and hope. There would be no real purpose for the existence of a Macedonian state (since it would no longer be Macedonia in name, or in form).

People talk about the situation Macedonia is in now with unemployment, etc and the need for the EU funds and so on. But when the nation no longer has a dream and a purpose, things will become far, far worse.

From there you'll see just how quickly division of the territory takes place, how easily corruption will reign and how soon it will disintegrate.

Changing the name, will be the beginning of the end of the independent Republic and cause irreversible damage on the Macedonian spirit. It would be the historical moment with which, the never fading Macedonian spirit which faced thousands of years of oppression and conquerors, was destroyed by the Macedonians themselves who gave everything up and wiped themselves out of history - the moment when the Macedonians destroyed themselves, something no conqueror, no occupier, no enemy could ever do.




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Also... I'm not a fan of Megan Gale so, Miranda Kerr it is.

Risto the Great 06-23-2009 03:31 AM

Great answer Rogi.
I agree with your predictions about the future consequences.
I am still curious about the Diaspora expectations vs. the local Macedonians. Do you think they differ by a significant margin?

I will say Miranda today.

Jankovska 06-23-2009 03:34 AM

I believe we will have stronger and prouder Diaspora and hell yeah I will support Macedonia.

osiris 06-23-2009 03:50 AM

great answer rogi exactly right, and as i have been saying all along its time for this stand.

when you are weak you must project strength. lao tsu the master tactician

Daskalot 06-23-2009 03:56 AM

Rogi you are very correct in your predictions, this is what will most likely happen if something like it would occur, with either scenario.


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