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Risto the Great 01-03-2011 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=Rogi;84952]As for Risto's question, I think every Macedonian including those in the Diaspora, should be blamed, for doing nothing to stop it. [/QUOTE]
I disagree. We in the Diaspora do not vote to get these tikvi running the country. We in the Diaspora have also been extremely critical of the capitulations of the past. You cannot tar us with the same brush as the people of the Macedonian Republic.

George S. 01-03-2011 07:15 PM

if the diaspora had a say in the running of macedonia then it would not be in the mess it is.

Soldier of Macedon 01-03-2011 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;84946]If Macedonia agrees to a name change, will we in the Diaspora hold all Macedonians in Macedonia responsible for this treachery?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't blame all Macedonians in Macedonia, but, as you say, they are the people that vote in these traitors, so who else can be blamed? Why aren't the patriots in Macedonia, groups or individuals, making some serious noise??
[QUOTE="Pelister"]I know one Egejec who will never call himself a Macedonian again, if they change the name and put restrictions on its use.[/QUOTE]
That is immature. What sort of Macedonian would renounce their identity in protest against the actions of others? If anything, it should give him more resolve to maintain the heritage of his ancestors instead of throwing it out of the window.

UMDiaspora.org 01-03-2011 07:58 PM

Macedonia's Government Must Cease all Negotiations with Greece. Macedonia - one and only. Macedonian identity, people, language - one and only.

Soldier of Macedon 01-03-2011 08:35 PM

Is that what you told Macedonian politicians and media while you were in Macedonia?

fyrOM 01-03-2011 09:06 PM

It might sound…I don’t even know what word to use…nice…to say the blame exist with all Macedonians but I do not agree.

This situation reminds me of a couple of Croatian guys I new a long time ago bitching and moaning about a free Croatia. Like I said to them then things will only get done by people on the ground. It was only when the Croatians stood up on their own feet did the leave Yugoslavia.

The diaspora can make support but cannot do the changes…it is always the people on the ground who can and hence lies the greatest responsibility. Is the burden inequitable…yes. Is it fair that it is so…no…but that’s how life is.

makedonche 01-03-2011 09:40 PM

[QUOTE]Just as a thought. If Macedonia agrees to a name change, will we in the Diaspora hold all Macedonians in Macedonia responsible for this treachery?
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Interesting question.......my thoughts have always been that you are either a part of the problem or a part of the solution.
Having said that we seem to be a part of a problem not of our making and beyond reasonable ability to be able to instigate a solution.
Firstly, all Macedonians will be responsible if the name is changed - it is uanacceptable to avoid responsibility for the maintaining of our identity or for allowing it to be changed. The level of responsibility is a variable that should be measured by the capacity of the individual to prevent this happening, for example, I do not hold the disabled responsibile in any way if thay are incapable of taking any action. Therefore it is incumbent upon every capable Macedonian to prevent this happening according to their ability to take action.
I don't believe we can or will hold every Macedonian responsible in Macedonia for allowing this to happen.

Big Bad Sven 01-03-2011 10:22 PM

The alarm bells should be ringing pretty loud for ALL Macedonians right now no matter where they live. Its a question of are we going to give a fuck and stop our spineless politicians from selling us out, again, or are we going to capitulate and do nothing, again.

Once the name has been changed then it would be extremely hard for Macedonia to get it back, just look at the pathetic state of affairs with our original flag and the ohrid agreement...

If the name change does happen, i will blame all Macedonians, but i would be extremely disappointed if the Macedonians in the republic don’t go out with a fight or express their concern, just like what happened with the flag.

Its funny because it seems like history keeps on repeating itself in Macedonia, lets hope its not the case for our identity.

Phoenix 01-03-2011 10:25 PM

[QUOTE=UMDiaspora.org;84967]Macedonia's Government Must Cease all Negotiations with Greece. Macedonia - one and only. Macedonian identity, people, language - one and only.[/QUOTE]

How about you put that message into a press release, express your total disgust that Macedonian politicians are attempting to sell our name and capitulate to the demands of our enemies.

Do something with conviction for once...instead of showboating on forums.

Phoenix 01-03-2011 10:31 PM

[QUOTE=OziMak;84974]
This situation reminds me of a couple of Croatian guys I new a long time ago bitching and moaning about a free Croatia. Like I said to them then things will only get done by people on the ground. It was only when the Croatians stood up on their own feet did the leave Yugoslavia.
[/QUOTE]

The croats never needed you to lead the way, they've always known what they wanted, they've always pumped shitloads of dollars into supporting their movements but what have you done OM...?

Seems as though everyone is good to offer advice but when you ask them to dig deep into their pockets and to put the money where their mouth is they turn mute...


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