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Eddie_rebel 09-15-2010 01:24 PM

Што лошо кажа човекот?

Makedonetz 09-15-2010 01:31 PM

Дали се согласувате со овој одговор тој спомена Македонија беше клучна за ширење на Хеленизмот?

"Oh yes, ancient Macedonia is a true reason why Ancient Greek culture survives. Alexander did a swell job in spreading Hellenism and influencing Greco-Macedonia thought throughout the Arab world and even to the point of the Roman Empire."

He is sounding like a grkoman or Bulgariman


Кои се вашите размислувања Еди бунтовник?

julie 09-15-2010 03:44 PM

Rogi, I agree with you
Prolet what "trap" are you talking about?
The governments are traiterous, negotiations and name changes and referendums are not the diaspora will

Eddie_rebel 09-15-2010 04:11 PM

Кога бараш влакно во јајцето несомнено ќе го најдеш. И на најголемиот патриот човек може маана да му најде, ако тоа е поентата.

[quote]he is sounding like a grkoman or bulgariman[/quote]

Гркоман кој ти признава и име и историја и идентитет, мора да се шегуваш.

Makedonetz 09-15-2010 04:39 PM

Eddie all im saying is some of his replys to these questions are anti-macedonian surely you can see it?

[B]I think Northern Greece is northern Greece, and thatís what most people in Greece call it[/B]

He flips from one side of the fence to another....Isn''t that the issue were facing at the moment with this damn EU name negoitiations about the above statement.

fyrOM 09-15-2010 04:49 PM

The benefits of joining the eu are becoming questionable considering if Macedonia would be obliged to contribute to pay Greeceís debts and like any relationship where finances are shared you donít want to partner up with a drunk or a compulsive gambler or shopaholic ie meaning the eu in general. But assuming the eu realises the mistakes that have brought them to their current situation and take steps to remedy this so for argument sake we can put these issues aside to concentrate on the name for a moment.

If there is compromise on the first term (R. of Vardar Macedonia), Greek media reported that Papandreou is ready to accept the double formula, which means the new name would be used only in bilateral communication with GreeceÖ.Ē


If it became a proposition for a bilateral name to be ONLY for use with Greece AND the name Republic of Macedonia for use with everyone else in the world is it such a bad thing. Iím inclined to think it is a viable option but cannot stop feeling like I am missing something important and about to stumble into a trap. Is it my imagination playing up or can any out there shed some more light on this scenario if indeed it saw the light of day and a referendum was being organised.

I know itís a compromise like going to a party and everyone there calls you Macedonia but one guy in the corner gets the right to call you Fred. Why should you belittle yourself to even allow this but if it ends the whole issue and Macedonia can move forward my thinking is over time even that guy calling you Fred will be made to feel silly by everyone else until eventually even they feel silly themselves and give up the chest beating and start calling you Macedonia.

Where would such a scenario leave us with regards to Albania and Bulgaria and the minorities there. Iím thinking if RoM achieved establishing her name then shouldnít the Macedonians in the other parts be able to point to RoM and say they identify with them as Macedonians.

The sticking point would be with the Macedonians in Egej because of the bilateral name would they unfortunately be left with the only option to call themselves Fred Macedonians if they wanted to claim themselves as not identifying as ethnic Greeks. As mentioned above the Greeks will probably eventually start feeling silly about the situation of being the only people on earth calling Macedonia something else other than just Macedonia and hence the ethnic label for the Macedonians in Egej may also change. The big BUT in this is how would the Macedonians in Egej feel about taking one for the team and is this a reasonable request if it means a deal can finally be made and the name issue settled. There is a big assumption here and that is are there any moves to include the recognition of minorities in these talks.

Eddie_rebel 09-15-2010 05:07 PM

Она што ние го нарекуваме Егејска Македонија, денес територијално (економски, политички, јурисдикциски...) е во рамките на Р. Грција те е нејзин северен дел. Што е збуната тука? Не по врат по шија. Нема потреба да му се фаќа кусур само поради тривијалната причина дека терминологијата не ни се допаѓала.

...Не ни брани ние да го викаме Егејска Македонија, ниту пак негира дека некогаш било дел од Македонија. Не негира дека постојат Македонци кои живеат таму...

Risto the Great 09-15-2010 05:40 PM

[QUOTE]Religion has also been a strong factor in the issue which has seemed to ease matters.[/QUOTE]Religion (especially the Patriarchate brand) created all of this mess my dear man.

El Bre 09-15-2010 05:41 PM

Makedonetz, I think you're trying to read between lines that aren't actually there.

In the statement you quoted above I believe what he's saying is that Greeks don't actually call GOM, Macedonia.

Risto the Great 09-15-2010 05:45 PM

I would like to think there are many moderate Greeks like this in the Diaspora. But the truth is that most do not know a single thing about history and just talk like Greek puppets. If they are in the company of Macedonians from youth, they tend to have a similar outlook to this guy. Otherwise, they are ignorantly dangerous.


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