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United Macedonians 08-31-2010 12:28 PM

The United Macedonians would like to thank the MTO for welcoming our organization into this forum with open arms.

Unfortunately, it has been a while since we have posted on here, and we must apologise to all for our lack of participation. Though we may not be readily available to engage in the various discussions on this forum, we are always happy to hear from people with any questions or comments they may have regarding our organization and it's activities.

Our website is currently under construction, but you may contact us at: [email][email protected][/email]


In response to the question about 'the Macedonian Cause', we hope our mission statement can answer that;

[B][SIZE="2"]United Macedonians Mission Statement[/SIZE][/B]

WHEREAS, The Macedonian nation, language, alphabet, culture and national history, are distinct and different from all nations, languages, alphabets, cultures and national histories of the world;
WHEREAS, Macedonia was occupied in 1912 by its neighbours, Albania, Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia, and divided among them;
WHEREAS, The Macedonians living in the Little Prespa and Golo Brdo regions of Macedonia (within the present borders of Albania), in the Pirin part of Macedonia (within the present borders of Bulgaria), in the Aegean part of Macedonia (within the present borders of Greece), and in the Gora and Prohor Pchinski regions of Macedonia (within the present borders of Serbia & 'Kosovo'), are denied the basic human and national rights at the end of this and beginning of the next millennium;
WHEREAS, The Republic of Macedonia, although covering only 39% of Macedonia's ethnic territory, is a national state and pride of Macedonians everywhere.


[B]Therefore, The United Macedonians has embarked on the following mission:[/B]
1. To work for the national unity of Macedonians worldwide, regardless of their religious beliefs, political opinions or affiliations;
2. To raise the national consciousness and pride of all ethnic Macedonians;
3. To work for the attainment of National and Human Rights of all Macedonians, especially those living in the occupied territories of Macedonia;
4. To promote good public relations with all peoples and governments who support the national independence and development of Macedonia;
5. To work towards a full international acceptance of the Republic of Macedonia under its constitutional name, and for a greater well being for all its citizens;
6. To work towards easier integration of Macedonians in their countries of residence; and
7. To help all Macedonians achieve their utmost in their chosen fields, and thus help society as a whole.


In response to the comments on the various forums about which organizations 'started' this campaign and which were 'constulted' about it - those questions really are irrelevant. The only question there should be for anyone is "where do I sign up, and how can I help?" It doesn't matter if the United Macedonians logo or your logo was not pasted on the advertisements - this is not being done to promote certain organizations. The message of the campaign is what matters.

MHRMI & AMHRC have been leading the fight for Macedonian rights for years, and right now there is no greater threat to our existence as this absurd 'name issue'. They took the initiative and started this campaign, and for that they should be thanked.

That said, we would like to encourage everyone on this forum - as well as all Macedonians around the world - to promote and support the 'Our Name is Macedonia' campaign to their friends and family - especially to those living in the Republic of Macedonia. Our goals can only be achieved if Macedonians truly unite and stand up for this monumental cause.

[url]http://www.mhrmi.org/our_name_is_macedonia/[/url]


Thank you.

Makedonska_Kafana 08-31-2010 12:57 PM

Welcome United Macedonians!

I can't stress enough how important that the United Macedonian website be completed and updated regularly. You have 50 years of Macedonian history in diaspora that somehow needs to be found and posted.

Thanks

ADVICE

Don't get into the same problem we see today with UMD where multiple people have access to the account name so please avoid any problems by ending each post with ie. Dragi, Andy, Ted, Bill etc.

That rule should apply to ANYONE using organization names for our own safety - alias

I could register as UMD_CA and have a field day here ..

Thanks

Makedonetz 08-31-2010 01:03 PM

Welcome MK and glad to see another macedonian presence here in Ontario & Canada aswell as myself. Ive been to many functions @ the crkva in Markham and my family have meet a few deca belgaci that left with my tatko from Mala Prespa in 1947

Keep up the good work! :rmacedonia

Makedonska_Kafana 08-31-2010 01:11 PM

[QUOTE=Makedonetz;68865]Welcome MK and glad to see another macedonian presence here in Ontario & Canada aswell as myself. Ive been to many functions @ the crkva in Markham and my family have meet a few deca belgaci that left with my tatko from Mala Prespa in 1947

Keep up the good work! :rmacedonia[/QUOTE]
maknews thinks i'm half australian .. lmfao

:21:

Makedonetz 08-31-2010 01:14 PM

[QUOTE=Makedonska_Kafana;68866]maknews thinks i'm half australian .. lmfao

:21:[/QUOTE]

Hell we all have roots in Australian, i have 2 uncles there probaly in Adalaide somewhere

out of curiosity anyone know a Micho Markovski who might live in Adalaide?

Makedonska_Kafana 08-31-2010 01:18 PM

Makedonetz, the regular posters here have known me since 1912 so this is really just back to the future for us.

:clap:

Makedonetz 08-31-2010 01:20 PM

Bravo :macedonia

Risto the Great 08-31-2010 06:35 PM

[QUOTE=United Macedonians;68860]The United Macedonians would like to thank the MTO for welcoming our organization into this forum with open arms.

Unfortunately, it has been a while since we have posted on here, and we must apologise to all for our lack of participation. Though we may not be readily available to engage in the various discussions on this forum, we are always happy to hear from people with any questions or comments they may have regarding our organization and it's activities.

Our website is currently under construction, but you may contact us at: [email][email protected][/email]


In response to the question about 'the Macedonian Cause', we hope our mission statement can answer that;

[B][SIZE="2"]United Macedonians Mission Statement[/SIZE][/B]

WHEREAS, The Macedonian nation, language, alphabet, culture and national history, are distinct and different from all nations, languages, alphabets, cultures and national histories of the world;
WHEREAS, Macedonia was occupied in 1912 by its neighbours, Albania, Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia, and divided among them;
WHEREAS, The Macedonians living in the Little Prespa and Golo Brdo regions of Macedonia (within the present borders of Albania), in the Pirin part of Macedonia (within the present borders of Bulgaria), in the Aegean part of Macedonia (within the present borders of Greece), and in the Gora and Prohor Pchinski regions of Macedonia (within the present borders of Serbia & 'Kosovo'), are denied the basic human and national rights at the end of this and beginning of the next millennium;
WHEREAS, The Republic of Macedonia, although covering only 39% of Macedonia's ethnic territory, is a national state and pride of Macedonians everywhere.


[B]Therefore, The United Macedonians has embarked on the following mission:[/B]
1. To work for the national unity of Macedonians worldwide, regardless of their religious beliefs, political opinions or affiliations;
2. To raise the national consciousness and pride of all ethnic Macedonians;
3. To work for the attainment of National and Human Rights of all Macedonians, especially those living in the occupied territories of Macedonia;
4. To promote good public relations with all peoples and governments who support the national independence and development of Macedonia;
5. To work towards a full international acceptance of the Republic of Macedonia under its constitutional name, and for a greater well being for all its citizens;
6. To work towards easier integration of Macedonians in their countries of residence; and
7. To help all Macedonians achieve their utmost in their chosen fields, and thus help society as a whole.


In response to the comments on the various forums about which organizations 'started' this campaign and which were 'constulted' about it - those questions really are irrelevant. The only question there should be for anyone is "where do I sign up, and how can I help?" It doesn't matter if the United Macedonians logo or your logo was not pasted on the advertisements - this is not being done to promote certain organizations. The message of the campaign is what matters.

MHRMI & AMHRC have been leading the fight for Macedonian rights for years, and right now there is no greater threat to our existence as this absurd 'name issue'. They took the initiative and started this campaign, and for that they should be thanked.

That said, we would like to encourage everyone on this forum - as well as all Macedonians around the world - to promote and support the 'Our Name is Macedonia' campaign to their friends and family - especially to those living in the Republic of Macedonia. Our goals can only be achieved if Macedonians truly unite and stand up for this monumental cause.

[url]http://www.mhrmi.org/our_name_is_macedonia/[/url]


Thank you.[/QUOTE]
Thank you UM.
We agree with your sentiments above.

We have come to develop a distaste for the "constitutional name" reference because it is clear the constitution of Macedonia appears to be the doormat for the wishes of countries and organisations who do not hold the interest of Macedonia and Macedonians as a priority.

[url]http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1303[/url]
This thread contains the Macedonian Cause as presently defined by a group of interested people. Is there anything there that offends you or will cause you to distance yourself from the mindset we have tried to encapsulate here?

Makedonska_Kafana 08-31-2010 09:06 PM

Philip Reeker - "double name" as a solution to the dispute
 
U.S. Ambassador to Macedonia Philip Reeker said that the position of Washington to solve Greek-Macedonian dispute does not foresee a change of constitutional name nor the constitution of the country.

The newspaper said that the statements of Reeker said in an interview with Skopje's "Alpha", it represents a de facto acceptance of a "double name" as a solution to the dispute between Skopje and Athens or to find a compromise solution that would replace the reference FYROM and the name Republic Macedonia would remain for internal use and for bilateral communication with countries that have recognized its constitutional name.

Philip Reeker, the newspaper added, assures that the solution to the dispute would not affect the Macedonian identity and language.

- I believe that the solution should lead to a change of constitutional name or the Constitution. It is your constitution, your world document. What is necessary is both Greece and Macedonia to reach agreement on an international name that will replace FYROM and where it will be used. What we support is to turn to the real question, and that no issues of identity or language, but refers to finding a solution that will allow you to save the Constitution and be closer to Severoatlantskata Alliance has passed " Ethnos statement Reeker.

The newspaper commented that statements by U.S. Ambassador in Skopje came on the eve of anticipated new initiative by UN mediator Matthew Nimetz for resolving the name issue and the time to seek a formula to overcome the situation bezizleznata in name talks.

You need to be seen whether the statements of Reeker fully reflect official U.S. position and that Athens is familiar with the formation of a new framework for negotiations, writes Ethnos.

[url]http://mn.mk/aktuelno/2488-Etnos-za-izjavite-na-Riker-SAD-go-potcuknaa-Skopje-po-ramoto[/url]

DedoAleko 09-14-2010 09:16 AM

Атина се откажува од ерга омнес
 
„To Парон“: Атина се откажува од „ерга омнес“
14.09.2010 - 14:26 | Македонија
Владата на Јоргос Папандреу се согласила со најновиот предлог на медијаторот Метју Нимиц за името „Република Вардарска Македонија“ без негова севкупна употреба на што досега инсистираше Атина, пишува грчкиот весник „To Парон“.


Според весникот, пронајдена е формула со која грчкото „ерга омнес“ ќе биде игнорирано. Ваквиот „болен компромис“, наведува „Парон“ ќе биде тешко да помине и носи голем политички ризик за Владата на Папандреу.

Весникот кој пред неколку дена објави дека Нимиц им доставил нов предлог на грција и на Макeдoнија, што беше демантирано од двете страни, тврди дека Атина дала зелено светло уште во јули, а оти Скопје се уште не одговорило.

„To Парон“ посочува дека новиот развој на настаните околу спорот за името се случува во пресрет на посетата на Папандреу на Њујорк каде што ќе учествува на Генералното собрание на ОН, но и во време кога и од ЕУ и од САД и од НАТО се создава клима за прифаќање компромис.

Потсетува на изјавата на претседателот на Европската комисија Жозе Мануел Баросо дека спорот треба да се реши брзо, како и на инсистирањето на САД и на НАТО прашањето да се затвори до ноемврискиот Самит на Алијансата во Португалија.
izvor:
[url]http://sitel.com.mk/dnevnik/makedonija/%E2%80%9E-paron%E2%80%9C-atina-se-otkazuva-od-%E2%80%9Eerga-omnes%E2%80%9C[/url]


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